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To: "aljlthomson@charter.net" <aljlthomson@charter.net>, "triumphstag@gmail.com" <triumphstag@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel bearing?
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:08:47 +0000 (UTC)
Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: triumphs@autox.team.net
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 Swap the wheels right and left and see it the symptom changes sides or sta=
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
To: 'Sujit Roy' <triumphstag@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Don Hiscock' <don.hiscock@gmail.com>; 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey@cs.c=
om>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2023 11:50 am
Subject: RE: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?

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 {}-->Sujit =E2=80=93 Sorry for getting off topic and rambling. Here=E2=80=
=99s a question or two. You mentioned that the vibration comes from the fro=
nt left wheel during left turns. Since the vibration comes through the stee=
ring, I would suggest that both front wheels could be suspect. Look for any=
 interference of tires with body or suspension parts. Does the vibration oc=
cur at slight steering angles or only when steering sharp left? Don=E2=80=
=99t discount things like a cracked wheel or more likely, a bad tire. I hav=
e heard first hand accounts that even new tires can be defective. =C2=A0Ale=
x Thomson  =C2=A0From: Sujit Roy [mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 11:33 AM
To: Alex & Janet Thomson
Cc: Don Hiscock; DAVID MASSEY; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing? =C2=A0The=C2=A0rotor has been checked for run out. Only thing l=
eft is the bearing and wheel. The bearing is easy to change, but so far the=
 replies=C2=A0don't=C2=A0answer the original question.Sujit =C2=A0 =C2=A0On=
 Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:15=E2=80=AFAM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@cha=
rter.net> wrote:
I didn=E2=80=99t know that MGs used a spacer sleeve and shims for adjustmen=
t. How fun would that be when doing wheel bearing service on all of my farm=
 equipment. Let=E2=80=99s see =E2=80=93 8 tractors, 7 four-wheel hay wagons=
, 3 balers, four hay rakes, and the list goes on=E2=80=A6=C2=A0Alex Thomson=
=E2=80=9973 TR6=C2=A0From: Don Hiscock [mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 8:40 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY
Cc: aljlthomson@charter.net; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?=C2=A0Yeah, I know...=C2=A0On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:35 AM DAVID=
 MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Still, 101???=C2=A0 Not 100?=C2=A0 Nobody lists a torque setting to +/- 1%=
=C2=A0 Especially back in the day.=C2=A0 With the old torsion-beam torque w=
renches with a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5 lb-ft.=C2=A0Dave =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0-----Original Message-----
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com>
To: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?It's not a misprint, unless the missing space between the zero a=
nd the ell count.=C2=A0 It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhap=
s being more familiar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see =
101.=C2=A0On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson=
@charter.net> wrote:
Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=80=99ve never done an=
y work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre-load of 101 ft.-lbs. =
for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, about 10, from a Farmal=
l H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =E2=80=9Chand tighten =
to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest castellation=E2=80=9D. T=
hat=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our cars and trucks over the years=
 and it seems to work.=C2=A0Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is =
that just a misprint?=C2=A0Alex Thomson=C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:triumph=
s-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 PM
To: Philip Ethier
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?=C2=A0And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 in 2=
014.=C2=A0 I've not quite gotten over that episode yet,=C2=A0 Yes, don't fo=
ol around with wheel bearings!=C2=A0The root cause of my wheel-fell-off epi=
sode was a restorer who was more used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's n=
on-preloaded bearings.=C2=A0 He read this part of the Red Book service inst=
ructions as 101 lb=C2=B7ft, not 10 lb=C2=B7ft.=C2=A0 Yikes.https://photos.s=
mugmug.com/photos/i-7mHq3MK/0/07d96589/O/i-7mHq3MK.pnghttps://photos.smugmu=
g.com/photos/i-8zPPqt3/0/1e459484/XL/i-8zPPqt3-XL.jpghttps://photos.smugmug=
.com/photos/i-wBTPGjg/0/5123f2e5/X3/i-wBTPGjg-X3.jpg=C2=A0This happened in =
western Ohio, not too far from Macy's Garage as it turned out.=C2=A0 And al=
though Mark and Co. didn't do the work that led to the wheel coming off, th=
ey know my car and were able to take it into their shop that afternoon whil=
e I flew home.=C2=A0So listen to the voice of two of us with scary experien=
ces.=C2=A0 Take care with wheel bearings.=C2=A0On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01=
 PM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't mess with=C2=A0wheel bearings.=C2=A0 Get it checked out.=C2=A0 I lost=
 a wheel on my TR4 on the way home from the VTR in 2005.=C2=A0On Mon, Feb 2=
7, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy <triumphstag@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Stag and have checked and changed various components like bottom b=
all joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencing a vibration, throu=
gh the steering=C2=A0wheel,=C2=A0 from the left front wheel only when I'm t=
urning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly bushes.There is no v=
ibration going straight or when turning right.=C2=A0I plan to swap the whee=
l with my spare,=C2=A0 but can a bad bearing cause these symptoms?The hub r=
otates smoothly and there is no noise.=C2=A0The TR6 uses a similar vertical=
 link setup as the Stag. The hub bearings=C2=A0are tapered.=C2=A0=C2=A0Suji=
t=C2=A0
=C2=A0-- Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California
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 =C2=A0-- Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California
https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;aljlthomson@charter.net&gt;<br>
To: 'Sujit Roy' &lt;triumphstag@gmail.com&gt;<br>
Cc: 'Don Hiscock' &lt;don.hiscock@gmail.com&gt;; 'DAVID MASSEY' &lt;dave1ma=
ssey@cs.com&gt;; triumphs@autox.team.net<br>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2023 11:50 am<br>
Subject: RE: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front whe=
el bearing?<br>
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=E2=80=93 Sorry for getting off topic and rambling. Here=E2=80=99s a questi=
on or two. You mentioned that the vibration comes from the front left wheel=
 during left turns. Since the vibration comes through the steering, I would=
 suggest that both front wheels could be suspect. Look for any interference=
 of tires with body or suspension parts. Does the vibration occur at slight=
 steering angles or only when steering sharp left? Don=E2=80=99t discount t=
hings like a cracked wheel or more likely, a bad tire. I have heard first h=
and accounts that even new tires can be defective.</span></div>

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;</span></div>

<div class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">Alex T=
homson </span></div>

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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Sujit Roy [mailto:triump=
hstag@gmail.com] <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 28, 2023=
 11:33 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Alex &amp; Janet Thomson<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>Cc:</b> Don Hiscock; DAVID MASSEY; triumphs@autox.team.net<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative=
 of a bad front wheel bearing?</span></div>

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<div class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal">The&nbsp;rotor has been checked for r=
un out. Only thing left is the bearing and wheel. The bearing is easy to ch=
ange, but so far the replies&nbsp;don't&nbsp;answer the original question.<=
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<div class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:15=E2=80=AF=
AM Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sha=
pe=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net";>aljlthomson@charter.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:</div>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in;">
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D;">I didn=E2=80=99t know that MGs used a spacer sleeve and shims for adju=
stment. How fun would that be when doing wheel bearing service on all of my=
 farm equipment. Let=E2=80=99s see =E2=80=93 8 tractors, 7 four-wheel hay w=
agons, 3 balers, four hay rakes, and the list goes on=E2=80=A6</span></div>

<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D;">&nbsp;</span></div>

<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D;">Alex Thomson</span></div>

<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D;">=E2=80=9973 TR6</span></div>

<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F49=
7D;">&nbsp;</span></div>

<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Don Hiscock [=
mailto:<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:don.hiscock@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gm=
ail.com">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>] <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday=
, February 28, 2023 8:40 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY<br cl=
ear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
ilto:aljlthomson@charter.net">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>; <a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@a=
utox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Is this sympto=
m I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel bearing?</span></div>

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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal">Yeah, I know...</div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:=
35 AM DAVID MASSEY &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:d=
ave1massey@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black=
;">Still, 101???&nbsp; Not 100?&nbsp; Nobody lists a torque setting to +/- =
1%&nbsp; Especially back in the day.&nbsp; With the old torsion-beam torque=
 wrenches with a linear scale you're lucky to get +/- 5 lb-ft.</span></div>
</div>

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3.5pt;color:black;">Dave </span></div>
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;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black=
;">&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black;">-----Original Message-----<br clea=
r=3D"none">From: Don Hiscock &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com";>don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">To: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nore=
ferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net";>aljlthomson@charter.net</a=
>&gt;<br clear=3D"none">Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener norefe=
rrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt;<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2023 7:28 pm<br clear=3D"none">Sub=
ject: Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel =
bearing?</span></div>

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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black=
;">It's not a misprint, unless the missing space between the zero and the e=
ll count.&nbsp; It's mainly dyslexic or too-fast reading, or perhaps being =
more familiar with ft-lb convention than lb-ft that led him to see 101.</sp=
an></div>
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0.0pt;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div>

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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 7:18 PM Alex &amp; Janet Thomso=
n &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:aljlthomson@charter.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@c=
harter.net">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">Wow! That definitely is a car with a broken leg! I=E2=
=80=99ve never done any work on an MG but I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a pre=
-load of 101 ft.-lbs. for front wheel bearings. All of our farm tractors, a=
bout 10, from a Farmall H to a Deere 4250, use the common specification of =
=E2=80=9Chand tighten to a slight drag, and then back off to the nearest ca=
stellation=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s what I have done on all of our cars and=
 trucks over the years and it seems to work.</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">Can someone explain the 101 ft.-lb. spec or is that jus=
t a misprint?</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">Alex Thomson</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;color:black;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;colo=
r:black;"> Triumphs [mailto:<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Don Hiscock<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b=
> Monday, February 27, 2023 7:21 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Philip Eth=
ier<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b>=
 Re: [TR] Is this symptom I'm getting indicative of a bad front wheel beari=
ng?</span></div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">And I lost a front wheel on my TR3B at 70 mph on I-70 i=
n 2014.&nbsp; I've not quite gotten over that episode yet,&nbsp; Yes, don't=
 fool around with wheel bearings!</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">The root cause of my wheel-fell-off episode was a resto=
rer who was more used to MG bearing preloads than a TR3's non-preloaded bea=
rings.&nbsp; He read this part of the Red Book service instructions as 101 =
lb=C2=B7ft, not 10 lb=C2=B7ft.&nbsp; Yikes.</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">This happened in western Ohio, not too far from Macy's =
Garage as it turned out.&nbsp; And although Mark and Co. didn't do the work=
 that led to the wheel coming off, they know my car and were able to take i=
t into their shop that afternoon while I flew home.</span></div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">So listen to the voice of two of us with scary experien=
ces.&nbsp; Take care with wheel bearings.</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 6:01 PM Philip Ethier &lt;<a re=
l=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:pethier=
7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:pethier7@gmail.com";>pethier7@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span></div>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">Don't mess with&nbsp;wheel bearings.&nbsp; Get it check=
ed out.&nbsp; I lost a wheel on my TR4 on the way home from the VTR in 2005=
.</span></div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:35=E2=80=AFPM Sujit Roy &lt;<=
a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tri=
umphstag@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com"=
>triumphstag@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span></div>
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n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">I have a Stag and have checked and changed various comp=
onents like bottom ball joint and top shock mount, but am still experiencin=
g a vibration, through the steering&nbsp;wheel,&nbsp; from the left front w=
heel only when I'm turning left. The car had been fitted with all new poly =
bushes.</span></div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">There is no vibration going straight or when turning ri=
ght.&nbsp;</span></div>
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<div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">I plan to swap the wheel with my spare,&nbsp; but can a=
 bad bearing cause these symptoms?</span></div>
</div>
</div>

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<div>
<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">The hub rotates smoothly and there is no noise.</span><=
/div>
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<div style=3D"" class=3D"yiv9868713568MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;color:black;">The TR6 uses a similar vertical link setup as the Stag.=
 The hub bearings&nbsp;are tapered.</span></div>
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