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whooooooo hooooooogo blue
Frank
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 12:55:14 PM PDT, David Friedlander <for=
zion7@gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
My thanks to all who provided insights and "next time" ideas for my "stick=
"=C2=A0TR3 oil pan. I am happy to report [finally] success!
The ingredients for this success were:- Not giving up- A loooooonnnnng, lar=
ge, flat-blade screwdriver- A BFH- And a creative angle/approach for the ab=
ove.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tools, to reach the front lip of the pan
The only casualty of this struggle is the front aluminum sealing block,heav=
ily dinged=C2=A0by the above-mentioned screwdriver. Though the part=C2=A0is=
NLS by the usual sources, I believe I have found one on eBay.
Now, let's try this again. On to the Blue Hylomar!
Thanks again to all who responded!
Dave
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:18 PM Peter Arakelian <PeterAra@msn.com> wrote:
=E2=80=9CM=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CAF=E2=80=9D
=C2=A0
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>=20
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 5:13 PM
To: 'Peter Arakelian' <PeterAra@msn.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Stuck Oil Pan
=C2=A0
Now here=E2=80=99s a question =E2=80=93 Which =E2=80=9CHylomar=E2=80=9D? Th=
ere are a number of different part numbers.
=C2=A0
https://hylomar.com/en/products/
=C2=A0
It sort of reminds me of when I go to the local NAPA store and there are 55=
million different varieties of Loctite, Permatex, etc.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Alex Thomson
=C2=A0
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Peter A=
rakelian
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 2:11 PM
To: 'triumphs@autox.team.net'
Subject: [TR] Stuck Oil Pan
=C2=A0
> I installed the oil pan on my TR3 using "The Right Stuff." I now find I n=
eed to remove my oil pan. Anyone have any ideas on "creative ways" to remov=
e the oil pan without destroying it?
=C2=A0
Why I never use and hate Right Stuff.=C2=A0 When you do get the pan off it =
will be a bitch getting the surfaces clean.=C2=A0 Use Hylomar next time.
=C2=A0
Peter Arakelian
1971 TR6
=C2=A0
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On Tuesday, September 14, 2021, 12:55:14 PM PDT, David =
Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">My thanks to =
all who provided insights and "next time" ideas for my "stick" </div><=
div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
mic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">TR3 oil pan. I am h=
appy to report [finally] success!</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv53207138=
48gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge;color:#000099;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5=
320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font=
-size:large;color:#000099;">The ingredients for this success were:</div><di=
v class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comi=
c sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">- Not giving up</div>=
<div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
omic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">- A loooooonnnnng,=
large, flat-blade screwdriver</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e;color:#000099;">- A BFH</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;col=
or:#000099;">- And a creative angle/approach for the above.</div><div class=
=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;"> tools, t=
o reach the front lip of the pan</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv532071384=
8gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:la=
rge;color:#000099;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv53=
20713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-=
size:large;color:#000099;">The only casualty of this struggle is the front =
aluminum sealing block,</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color=
:#000099;">heavily dinged by the above-mentioned screwdriver. Though t=
he part </div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;"=
>is NLS by the usual sources, I believe I have found one on eBay.</div><div=
class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic=
sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;"><br clear=3D"none"></d=
iv><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099;">Now, let's try =
this again. On to the Blue Hylomar!</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv532071=
3848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size=
:large;color:#000099;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yi=
v5320713848gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:large;color:#000099;">Thanks again to all who responded!<br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Dave</div><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv53207138=
48gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms, sans-serif;font-size:l=
arge;color:#000099;"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div=
class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_quote"><div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv=
5320713848yqt2934106619" id=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848yqt79819"><div class=
=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at=
10:18 PM Peter Arakelian <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:PeterAra@msn=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">PeterAra@msn.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713=
848gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb=
(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail-m_-4539164050473662197WordSecti=
on1">
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal">=E2=80=9CM=E2=80=9D or =E2=
=80=9CAF=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Alex & Jane=
t Thomson <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>> =
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 13, 2021 5:13 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> 'Peter Arakelian' <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:PeterAra@=
msn.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">PeterAra@msn.com</a>=
>; <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"=
none">
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Stuck Oil Pan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Now here=E2=80=99s a question =E2=80=93 Which =E2=
=80=9CHylomar=E2=80=9D? There are a number of different part numbers.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://na01.safelinks.p=
rotection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fhylomar.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2F&a=
mp;data=3D04%7C01%7C%7Ce792dda2058246b49dde08d9771472ad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb=
435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637671751967373582%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj=
oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sda=
ta=3Df2aClKTlbskiShQDr75vlKSnSXT%2Fy4lGl9OGmQKGjqU%3D&reserved=3D0" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">https://hylomar.com/en/products/=
</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);">It sort of reminds me of when I go to the local NA=
PA store and there are 55 million different varieties of Loctite, Permatex,=
etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Alex Thomson<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"> Triumphs [<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noopener">mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Arakelian<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 13, 2021 2:11 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> '<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer noopener">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>'<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] Stuck Oil Pan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal">> I installed the oil pan=
on my TR3 using "The Right Stuff." I now find I need to remove my oil pan.=
Anyone have any ideas on "creative ways" to remove the oil pan without des=
troying it?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal">Why I never use and hate Rig=
ht Stuff. When you do get the pan off it will be a bitch getting the =
surfaces clean. Use Hylomar next time.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal">Peter Arakelian<u></u><u></u=
></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal">1971 TR6<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt;=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;"><u></u> <u></u=
></span></p>
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text-align:center;"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:New serif;">
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McAfee</a> and confirmed virus-free.</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:New serif;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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t;font-family:New serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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ource=3Dlink&utm_campaign=3Dsig-email&utm_content=3Demailclient" ta=
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none;"><img id=3D"ydp3a766c94yiv5320713848gmail-m_-4539164050473662197_x000=
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oreferrer noopener">
McAfee</a> and confirmed virus-free.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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