triumphs
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [TR] early TR4

To: Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com>, dave <dave@ranteer.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
From: Allen Hess <allen.k.hess@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:29:07 -0400
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: triumphs@autox.team.net
References: <A0419208-0ED7-4FC6-97CD-9E168454A095@albiontechnical.com>
--===============8461679766726587913==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


--Apple-Mail-AAE30270-7C7B-4E06-9A29-1829657302AE
        charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That=E2=80=99s correct. An early TR4 would have a solid spacer. Collapsible s=
pacer maybe arrived with IRS.=20

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr@albiontechnical.com> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF I admit, it=E2=80=99s been a long time since I changed a pinion s=
eal on my 3A, but I=E2=80=99m pretty sure the the pinion position relative t=
o the crown wheel, and it=E2=80=99s preload, are determined by shims behind t=
he pinion head bearing, and another set of shims between the tail bearing an=
d the bearing spacer. Thus, as long as the tail bearing is not disturbed, yo=
u would not need to mark the position of the castle but, but simply retorque=
 it to the required 85-100 ft lbs. I must add that I am referring to the 3A=E2=
=80=99s diff here, but I=E2=80=99m pretty sure the solid axle 4 has the same=
 arrangement.=20
>=20
> Mike
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>>> On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:55, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com> wrote=
:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Dave,
>> =20
>> The only other place I can think of to leak is the pinion seal at the fro=
nt. There=E2=80=99s a chance that the old seal has worn a groove in the pini=
on flange, which can be remedied by a Speedi-sleeve.
>> =20
>> When I removed the seal from my 4A IRS=E2=80=99s diff, the seal material w=
as leather and it was leaking terribly.
>> =20
>> If you are going to change the seal yourself, I would mark the position o=
f the castle nut relative to the pinion input shaft, and reinstall to the sa=
me position. The nut sets the preload for the pinion bearings, and assuming y=
our car uses the solid spacer removing and replacing that nut to the same po=
sition shouldn=E2=80=99t change the preload.  That=E2=80=99s the best I unde=
rstand it.
>> =20
>> Cliff
>> =20
>> =20
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> =20
>> From: dave
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:12 AM
>> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] early TR4
>> =20
>> Approx. 9600 serial number; its essentially a TR3.
>> =20
>> The rear end leaks profusely.  I understand there is/are seal(s) that nee=
d to be replaced; its not the diff cover gasket.  BTDT
>> =20
>> Is there a link somewhere to the process and parts needed?
>> =20
>> Recommendations on upgrade(s)?=20
>> =20
>> Thanks!
>> =20
>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
>>=20
>> Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.team.ne=
t_donate.html&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=3D=
HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=3DpitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ7JECIi2Ly=
2CyOgX-mibX8c-k&s=3Dyn-Bu5yE66SItIpAi8rlaHxddPebuU4aiVwANS9Z4w4&e=3D
>> Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.team.n=
et_pipermail_triumphs&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVf=
iiMM&r=3DHL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=3DpitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ=
7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-mibX8c-k&s=3D8kAR1olF9ZzWBsogYgDT3jNxkiENYnrP7VmBDb-zSfI&e=3D=
  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.team.net_archive=
&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=3DHL4LAX-jeuoW=
Neqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=3DpitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-mibX8=
c-k&s=3DwbRCAKxFY520q55FnPmSctpeUDWUB6EZnUJ8sY9AmsQ&e=3D
>>=20
>> Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A_=
_autox.team.net_mailman_options_triumphs_mmarr-40albiontechnical.com&d=3DDwI=
CAg&c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=3DHL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1r=
yqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=3DpitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-mibX8c-k&s=3D=
BS3p23exPEspQ69jwUnu6lnRRIGJnKzu76Qi-fxg_Og&e=3D

--Apple-Mail-AAE30270-7C7B-4E06-9A29-1829657302AE
        charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">That=E2=80=99s correct. An=
 early TR4 would have a solid spacer. Collapsible spacer maybe arrived with I=
RS.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 13, 202=
1, at 1:37 PM, Michael Marr &lt;mmarr@albiontechnical.com&gt; wrote:<br><br>=
</blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">


I admit, it=E2=80=99s been a long time since I changed a pinion seal on my 3=
A, but I=E2=80=99m pretty sure the the pinion position relative to the crown=
 wheel, and it=E2=80=99s preload, are determined by shims behind the pinion h=
ead bearing, and another set of shims between the tail
 bearing and the bearing spacer. Thus, as long as the tail bearing is not di=
sturbed, you would not need to mark the position of the castle but, but simp=
ly retorque it to the required 85-100 ft lbs. I must add that I am referring=
 to the 3A=E2=80=99s diff here, but I=E2=80=99m
 pretty sure the solid axle 4 has the same arrangement.&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Mike<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 13, 2021, at 11:55, Cliff Hansen &lt;cliff_=
hansen@outlook.com&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
 <style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
        {font-family:"Cambria Math";
        panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
        {font-family:Calibri;
        panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
        {margin:0in;
        font-size:11.0pt;
        font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
        {mso-style-priority:99;
        color:blue;
        text-decoration:underline;}
.MsoChpDefault
        {mso-style-type:export-only;}
@page WordSection1
        {size:8.5in 11.0in;
        margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
        {page:WordSection1;}
--></style>
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dave,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The only other place I can think of to leak is the pi=
nion seal at the front. There=E2=80=99s a chance that the old seal has worn a=
 groove in the pinion flange, which can be remedied by a Speedi-sleeve.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When I removed the seal from my 4A IRS=E2=80=99s diff=
, the seal material was leather and it was leaking terribly.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you are going to change the seal yourself, I would=
 mark the position of the castle nut relative to the pinion input shaft, and=
 reinstall to the same position. The nut sets the preload for the pinion bea=
rings, and assuming your car uses
 the solid spacer removing and replacing that nut to the same position shoul=
dn=E2=80=99t change the preload.&nbsp; That=E2=80=99s the best I understand i=
t.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.co=
m/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&amp;d=3DDw=
MF-g&amp;c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&amp;r=3DHL4LAX-jeuo=
WNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&amp;m=3DpitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-=
mibX8c-k&amp;s=3D3rtBCASeGfg8oAogfHtdF3ciJv1rkouT3v1hoQJlnq0&amp;e=3D">
Mail</a> for Windows 10</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div style=3D"mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, July 13, 2021 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.ne=
t</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[TR] early TR4</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Approx. 9600 serial number; its essentially a TR3.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The rear end leaks profusely.&nbsp; I understand ther=
e is/are seal(s) that need to be replaced; its not the diff cover gasket.&nb=
sp; BTDT<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Is there a link somewhere to the process and parts ne=
eded?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Recommendations on upgrade(s)?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<span>** triumphs@autox.team.net **</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.team=
.net_donate.html&amp;d=3DDwICAg&amp;c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_Cdpg=
nVfiiMM&amp;r=3DHL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&amp;m=3DpitbkZGG=
PWs41g-1UxZ7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-mibX8c-k&amp;s=3Dyn-Bu5yE66SItIpAi8rlaHxddPebuU4a=
iVwANS9Z4w4&amp;e=3D</span><br>
<span>Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.tea=
m.net_pipermail_triumphs&amp;d=3DDwICAg&amp;c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-=
v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&amp;r=3DHL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&amp;m=3D=
pitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-mibX8c-k&amp;s=3D8kAR1olF9ZzWBsogYgDT3jNx=
kiENYnrP7VmBDb-zSfI&amp;e=3D
 &nbsp;https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.team.net_ar=
chive&amp;d=3DDwICAg&amp;c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&amp=
;r=3DHL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&amp;m=3DpitbkZGGPWs41g-1UxZ=
7JECIi2Ly2CyOgX-mibX8c-k&amp;s=3DwbRCAKxFY520q55FnPmSctpeUDWUB6EZnUJ8sY9AmsQ=
&amp;e=3D</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>Unsubscribe/Manage: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-=
3A__autox.team.net_mailman_options_triumphs_mmarr-40albiontechnical.com&amp;=
d=3DDwICAg&amp;c=3DeuGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&amp;r=3DHL4LA=
CyOgX-mibX8c-k&amp;s=3DBS3p23exPEspQ69jwUnu6lnRRIGJnKzu76Qi-fxg_Og&amp;e=3D<=
/span><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>


</div></blockquote></body></html>=

--Apple-Mail-AAE30270-7C7B-4E06-9A29-1829657302AE--

--===============8461679766726587913==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

** triumphs@autox.team.net **

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archive


--===============8461679766726587913==--

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>