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Re: [TR] Grade 2 lock nuts

To: "greg@gregoryd.com" <greg@gregoryd.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Grade 2 lock nuts
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 18:16:18 +0000 (UTC)
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 When you get to Grade 8 you are faced with a brittleness and breakage wher=
e a lower grade will stretch.=C2=A0 I saw a grade 8 bolt break and it was j=
ust holding a rocker shaft pedestal.=C2=A0 Grade 5 is more than adequate.=
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Donovan <greg@gregoryd.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, May 14, 2021 10:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Grade 2 lock nuts

A related by different question:

My instinct here, almost always, would be to err on the side of higher grad=
es. Rated for 2, put a 3 on.

One disadvantage with this approach is cost: higher grades, more money.=20

Other than higher cost, are there other disadvantages to using a higher gra=
de than absolutely needed?

Are there situations where the lower grade is preferable? E.g., if somethin=
g's going to fail under stress, you=E2=80=99d rather it be a grade 2 bolt t=
han the expensive component it=E2=80=99s securing.

=E2=80=94Greg



> On May 14, 2021, at 9:44 AM, Nick Black <vintagenick42@yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
> I believe that the usual nuts and bolts on a TR are equivalent to grade 5=
 or so and they may have been higher grade in this application.
> Grade 2 seems a bit =E2=80=9Cwimpy=E2=80=9D here. I would not use such a =
soft nut especially in this application. Also, do not use =E2=80=9Cstandard=
=E2=80=9D bolts here as the flanges need to ride on the shank of the bolt, =
not on the tread. Either buy the correct bolt and nut or use=C2=A0 NAS bolt=
s and grade 8 locknuts.
>=20
> Of course I may be a little =E2=80=9Cnuts=E2=80=9D myself...
> Nick in NorCal=20

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<div> <font size=3D"3">When you get to Grade 8 you are faced with a brittle=
ness and breakage where a lower grade will stretch.&nbsp; I saw a grade 8 b=
olt break and it was just holding a rocker shaft pedestal.&nbsp; Grade 5 is=
 more than adequate.&nbsp; </font><br>
</div>

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</div>

<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font=
 size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Greg Donovan &lt;greg@gregoryd.com&gt;<br>
To: Triumphs &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Fri, May 14, 2021 10:06 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Grade 2 lock nuts<br>
<br>

<div dir=3D"ltr">A related by different question:<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">My instinct here, almost always, would be to err on the si=
de of higher grades. Rated for 2, put a 3 on.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">One disadvantage with this approach is cost: higher grades=
, more money. <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Other than higher cost, are there other disadvantages to u=
sing a higher grade than absolutely needed?<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">Are there situations where the lower grade is preferable? =
E.g., if something's going to fail under stress, you=E2=80=99d rather it be=
 a grade 2 bolt than the expensive component it=E2=80=99s securing.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">=E2=80=94Greg<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; On May 14, 2021, at 9:44 AM, Nick Black &lt;<a ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:vintagenick42@yahoo.com"; href=3D"mailto:vintagenick42@yahoo.com=
">vintagenick42@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I believe that the usual nuts and bolts on a TR are e=
quivalent to grade 5 or so and they may have been higher grade in this appl=
ication.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Grade 2 seems a bit =E2=80=9Cwimpy=E2=80=9D here. I w=
ould not use such a soft nut especially in this application. Also, do not u=
se =E2=80=9Cstandard=E2=80=9D bolts here as the flanges need to ride on the=
 shank of the bolt, not on the tread. Either buy the correct bolt and nut o=
r use&nbsp; NAS bolts and grade 8 locknuts.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Of course I may be a little =E2=80=9Cnuts=E2=80=9D my=
self...<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; Nick in NorCal <br>
</div>

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