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I have a 1976 Spitfire with the original top. Still fits like a glove. I
attribute that to the DPO storing the car with the top up.
I also have a 1975 TR6 that was always parked with the top down. I can't
close the top, and I need to replace it not because it's worn, but because
they let it shrink.
Bottom line: erect your hood when you park your car.
Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 16:53 Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:
> So, does anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it should? We
> seem to have trashed Robbins and Prestige.
> My friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top handle from the
> drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century advance in
> engeneering?
> Best,
> Bob
>
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest
> intentions.
>
> On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-type top for my TR6 for the last te=
n
> + years. It still looks and fits great! I had it professionally installed
> and I've had zero regrets. Not sure how you can see the hoodstick through
> the window....
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it. it really is not the
>> right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too large, so you can see
>> the hoodstick through it
>>
>>
>>
>> And, just half a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued
>> portions that have become unglued. Its really awful, and if my options
>> weren=E2=80=99t so expensive I would replace it
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *David
>> Friedlander
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM
>> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
>> *Cc:* triumphs@autox.team.net; dave@mdmackay.ca
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] New TR6 top
>>
>>
>>
>> At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfast tops are NOT
>> going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're tight, they're tig=
ht.
>> Not sure I understand why the various manufacturers don't try out their
>> patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, especially for when they us=
e
>> fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick cover from Prestige in th=
e
>> UK and have had a real challenge to get it to stretch to fit the
>> lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has never actually fit=
ted
>> one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive their patterns....
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Friedlander
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote=
:
>>
>> The vinyl material used in tops is produced with a plasticizer which is
>> an additive that makes the vinyl soft, pliable and stretchable. The
>> problem is this product is volatile and will dissipate over time making =
the
>> top less and less stretchable. If the top stretched whens installed (an=
d
>> installers don't like wrinkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is
>> the stretch the top to remove them) it will become more difficult to ere=
ct,
>> especially when cold. When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a =
top
>> that was sitting in his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his =
car
>> was totaled before he could get it installed). I had that top installed
>> and it was a dream to erect and fold the whole time I had it. I attribu=
te
>> that to the fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.
>>
>>
>>
>> My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the
>> material is more resistant to stretching. The installer will pre-stretc=
h
>> the top less and it will work better in the long run.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in my
>> opinion, cut about 1 inch too short. I installed the Lift-A-Dot snaps a=
s
>> close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a hot d=
ay
>> in the sun. Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonneau is
>> virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets les=
s
>> stretchy it has become easier to install. I think the plasticizer has
>> dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched position. So, this
>> raises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose and
>> placed it over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.
>> After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps making i=
t
>> easier to put up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or buy your top years before you install it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave MacKay <dave@mdmackay.ca>
>> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 top
>>
>> I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a
>> TR3A, not a TR6.
>>
>>
>>
>> Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also a convertible top) is so
>> tight that I can only fit it with great effort even in warm sunny weathe=
r.
>> The tonneau was installed by professional installers who complained abou=
t
>> the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained. I even sent my previo=
us
>> tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but the replacement they sen=
t
>> me after that was no better.
>>
>>
>>
>> The top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it =
may have
>> shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by your
>> installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for m=
e
>> than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.
>>
>>
>>
>> As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with a TR6 not a TR=
3A, YMMV
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have a 1976 Spitfire with the original top.=C2=A0 Still=
fits like a glove.=C2=A0 I attribute that to the DPO storing the car with =
the top up.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I also=
have a 1975 TR6 that was always parked with the top down.=C2=A0 I can'=
t close the top, and I need to replace it not because it's worn, but be=
cause they let it shrink.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">Bottom line: erect your hood when you park your car.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jeff Scarbrough</div><div dir=3D"auto">Corro=
sion Acres, Ga.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 16:53 Rochlin Robert <<a href=
=3D"mailto:rrochlin@comcast.net";>rrochlin@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-b=
reak:after-white-space"><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">
</span>So, d=
oes anyone have a canvas top that goes up and down as it should? We seem to=
have trashed Robbins and Prestige.<div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap=
"> </span>=C2=A0My friend has a Mazda and he can easily grab the top
handle=
from the drivers seat and pull it up with little effort. A half century ad=
vance in engeneering?</div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </spa=
n>Best,</div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Bob<br><div>=
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:39 PM, John Macart=
ney <<a href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk"; target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br><div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only m=
an who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
>On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:58, David Friedlander <<a href=3D"mailto:forzion7=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">forzion7@gmail.com</a>>=
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-=
serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">I have had a Prestige Twilfast-canvas-=
type=C2=A0top for my TR6 for the last ten + years. It still looks and fits =
great! I had it professionally installed and I've had zero regrets. Not=
sure how you can see the hoodstick through the window....</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:=
large;color:#000099"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#000099">Dave</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM dave <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a prestige top on my tr6 and I hate it.=C2=
=A0 it really is not the right size (too narrow) and the rear window is too=
large, so you can see the hoodstick through it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And, just hal=
f a dozen years from having it installed, there are glued portions that hav=
e become unglued.=C2=A0 Its really awful, and if my options weren=E2=80=99t=
so expensive I would replace it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;bo=
rder-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-=
bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs-bounc=
es@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Friedlander<br><b>Sent:=
</b> Tuesday, December 29, 2020 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> DAVID MASSEY <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dav=
e1massey@cs.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@=
mdmackay.ca</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New TR6 top<u></u><u></u></p></=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"=
;;color:rgb(0,0,153)">At least the vinyl top has a plasticizer in it. Sunfa=
st tops are NOT going to stretch no matter what or when. When they're t=
ight, they're tight. Not sure I understand why the various manufacturer=
s don't try out their patterns on actual vehicles and adjust them, espe=
cially for when they use fabrics that don't stretch. I have a hoodstick=
cover from Prestige in the UK and have had a real challenge to get it to s=
tretch to fit the lift-the-dot fasteners properly. The manufacturer has nev=
er actually fitted one to a real TR3 so I don't know how they derive th=
eir patterns....<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:r=
gb(0,0,153)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";colo=
r:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave Friedlander<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:18pt;font-family:"Comic Sa=
ns MS";color:rgb(0,0,153)">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:51 AM DAVID MASSEY <<a href=3D"mailto:dave=
1massey@cs.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">dave1massey@cs.com</a>=
> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;bor=
der-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div id=
=3D"m_-3118189463787433989gmail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213=
825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The vinyl material used in tops=
is produced with a plasticizer which is an additive that makes the vinyl s=
oft, pliable and stretchable.=C2=A0 The problem is this product is volatile=
and will dissipate over time making the top less and less stretchable.=C2=
=A0 If the top stretched whens installed (and installers don't like wri=
nkles and the easiest way to remove wrinkles is the stretch the top to remo=
ve them) it will become more difficult to erect, especially when cold.=C2=
=A0 When I rebuilt my TR6 in 1996 a friend gave me a top that was sitting i=
n his basement for 20-odd years (he bought it but his car was totaled befor=
e he could get it installed).=C2=A0 I had that top installed and it was a d=
ream to erect and fold the whole time I had it.=C2=A0 I attribute that to t=
he fact that it wasn't stretchable when installed.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=
My advice is to get your top installed when the weather is cold and the mat=
erial is more resistant to stretching.=C2=A0 The installer will pre-stretch=
the top less and it will work better in the long run.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=
Here's another anecdote: I bought a tonneau for the TR3 which was, in m=
y opinion, cut about 1 inch too short.=C2=A0 I installed the Lift-A-Dot sna=
ps as close to the edges as I could but still could only install it on a ho=
t day in the sun.=C2=A0 Since this car lives mostly in the garage the tonne=
au is virtually permanently installed and over the years as the cover gets =
less stretchy it has become easier to install.=C2=A0 I think the plasticize=
r has dissipated and the top took a set in the stretched position.=C2=A0 So=
, this raises a question: What would happen if one slit some garden hose an=
d placed it over the bows and left the top up with a little extra stretch.=
=C2=A0 After a while the top will take a set with extra slack, perhaps maki=
ng it easier to put up.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Or buy your top years before you=
install it.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dave </span><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-seri=
f"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"m_-3118189463787433989gm=
ail-m_3077276246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929yqtfd0393=
7"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>=
From: Dave MacKay <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"; target=3D"_blank"=
rel=3D"noreferrer">dave@mdmackay.ca</a>><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:trium=
phs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net</a><br>Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] New TR6 t=
op<u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"m_-3118189463787433989gmail-m_3077276=
246423130986gmail-m_-4886593744213825898yiv8638386929"><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-seri=
f">I, too, have had problems with the Robbins tops although my car is a TR3=
A, not a TR6.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Like Bob with his TR6, my tonneau (and also=
a convertible top) is so tight that I can only fit it with great effort ev=
en in warm sunny weather. The tonneau was installed by professional install=
ers who complained about the fit. Robbins was responsive when I complained.=
I even sent my previous tonneau to them so they could see what fit, but th=
e replacement they sent me after that was no better.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The =
top hasn=E2=80=99t stretched or loosened over time. If anything, it may hav=
e shrunk because it seems as hard or harder than ever to put on.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans=
-serif">I would suggest having the top (tonneau or convertible) made by you=
r installer so that you get a good fit. That would have been cheaper for me=
than buying the Robbins tonneau and having to pay for two installations.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:A=
rial,sans-serif">As always, particularly since you=E2=80=99re dealing with =
a TR6 not a TR3A, YMMV<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Good luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>=
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