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Re: [TR] Battery troubles

To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles
From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:28:42 -0700
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Two points.  I learned from my local mechanic that even the higher end =
Battery Tender Plus that is in the little metal box, will not maintain a =
battery, but will cook a battery when left on all the time.  I was =
advised to plug it in for a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for =
a week or two.  What a pain.

In my Airstream trailer, which has a charging system when plugged in, to =
charge the deep cycle batteries.  I learned the hard way that the unit =
that comes from the factory is crap and will cook the batteries.  I =
upgraded to a model that will let me leave it plugged in for months to =
years, no problem.

So back to changing and knowing the status of your battery, this handy =
tool is excellent.  SOLAR BA7 =
https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A=
4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%=
2Btester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&sr=3D=
8-3&th=3D1 =
<https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7=
A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&dchild=3D1&keywords=3Dsolar+battery+t=
ester&qid=3D1602785609&sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test,aps,852&sr=3D8-3&th=3D=
1>
No idea why it has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar. =
=20

You don=E2=80=99t have to disconnect your battery.  Battery doesn=E2=80=99=
t need to be fully charged to test it.  You just connect it and enter it =
what kind of battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated =
for, and it tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it =
still has.  I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery =
in my Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it =
still has 620, which is why it still works great.

Good luck,

Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE


=20

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>=20
> Funny you should mention this.
> =20
> I have a battery charger that I bought from Kmart (remember them) =
around 1978.  All steel construction with an analog gage in front.  It =
still works great.
> =20
> I purchased a modern charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a =
few years.
> =20
> If you have a light timer, you can plug the charger into the timer and =
let it charge only an hour or so a day.  Old tech + old tech beats new =
tech!
> =20
> =20
> =20
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chris =
Simo
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:27 AM
> To: list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Battery troubles
> =20
> My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.   I put my new battery =
charger on it -  It's all electronic  vs my old one that just had a 3 =
position switch and an analog meter.
> =20
> This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is =
connected backwards,  light a light with a bad battery, etc.  Trouble is =
I"m not sure I trust it.
> =20
> I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.  I havent been =
driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,  and my mom's car =
battery showed bad as well....
> =20
> I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.  =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....
> =20
> Or they just sat so long they died.....     Anyone have experience =
with those newer fancy chargers?  Any issues or concerns?
> =20
> Thanks!
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Two points. &nbsp;I learned from =
my local mechanic that even the higher end Battery Tender Plus that is =
in the little metal box, will not maintain a battery, but will cook a =
battery when left on all the time. &nbsp;I was advised to plug it in for =
a week, 2 at the most, then disconnect if for a week or two. &nbsp;What =
a pain.</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">In my Airstream trailer, which has =
a charging system when plugged in, to charge the deep cycle batteries. =
&nbsp;I learned the hard way that the unit that comes from the factory =
is crap and will cook the batteries. &nbsp;I upgraded to a model that =
will let me leave it plugged in for months to years, no =
problem.</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">So back to changing and knowing =
the status of your battery, this handy tool is excellent. &nbsp;SOLAR =
BA7 <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B=
0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=3D=
solar+battery+tester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar+battery+test=
,aps,852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/d=
p/B0015PI7A4/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3UHUBUZLSG9K3&amp;dchild=3D1&amp;keywords=
=3Dsolar%2Bbattery%2Btester&amp;qid=3D1602785609&amp;sprefix=3Dsolar%2Bbat=
tery%2Btest%2Caps%2C852&amp;sr=3D8-3&amp;th=3D1</a></span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">No idea why it =
has Solar in the name as it has nothing to do with solar. =
&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">You don=E2=80=99t have to =
disconnect your battery. &nbsp;Battery doesn=E2=80=99t need to be fully =
charged to test it. &nbsp;You just connect it and enter it what kind of =
battery it is and the Cold Cranking Amps it=E2=80=99s rated for, and it =
tells you the condition of the battery and how many CCA it still has. =
&nbsp;I was blown away when I tested a 5 year old Optima battery in my =
Triumph TR3, and I think it=E2=80=99s rated for 700 CCA, and it still =
has 620, which is why it still works great.</span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">Good luck,</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div =
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class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">1960 Triumph =
TR3A</span></div><div data-mce-style=3D"caret-color: #000000; color: =
#000000; font-family: SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; =
text-decoration: none;" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span data-mce-style=3D"color: #000000; font-family: =
SFNSText, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: =
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display: inline !important;" style=3D"float: none; display: inline =
!important; font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">PH: =
530-FIND-RYE</span></div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:06 AM, dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; class=3D"">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Funny you should mention =
this.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have a battery charger =
that I bought from Kmart (remember them) around 1978.&nbsp; All steel =
construction with an analog gage in front.&nbsp; It still works =
great.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I purchased a modern =
charger about 10 years ago and it lasted only a few years.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If you have a light timer, =
you can plug the charger into the timer and let it charge only an hour =
or so a day.&nbsp; Old tech + old tech beats new tech!<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); =
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Chris Simo<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday, October 15, 2020 =
8:27 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>list Triumph &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[TR] Battery troubles<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">My Tr4 =
hasn't gotten out at all this summer.&nbsp; &nbsp;I put my new battery =
charger on it -&nbsp; It's all electronic&nbsp; vs my old one that just =
had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">This =
new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connected =
backwards,&nbsp; light a light with a bad battery, etc.&nbsp; Trouble is =
I"m not sure I trust it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I've =
had this thing tell me 4 batteries&nbsp;are bad.&nbsp; I havent been =
driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,&nbsp; and my mom's =
car battery showed bad as well....<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I =
think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.&nbsp; =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Or =
they just sat so long they died.....&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Anyone have =
experience with those newer fancy chargers?&nbsp; Any issues or =
concerns?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks!<o:p =
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