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I used to buy an sell on eBay a lot. Started in the late 90s. In the
early days they called it a community, and to some extent it was. Suddenly
easy to find or sell old obscure car parts that had a very limited market
locally. Many of the folks doing it were hobbyists like our listers here.
In the early days no buyer protection, you bought based on an online
description (remember the days before pictures were even common?) mailed
your check or money order, and hoped the seller was honest enough to send
you the item and it would be as described. Sellers started taking
advantage, bogus accounts, gouging on shipping. E bay put in buyer
protection.
Some buyers figured out that they could basically blackmail sellers by
leaving bad feedback, warranted or not, and they put in feedback disputes
and such to make it harder to leave negative feedback.
They also upped fees and restructured them to incentivize to list, charging
all or the lion's share of fees on sale and giving listing discounts to
volume sellers.
So we end up with 100s of listings for pink steering wheel covers and valve
stem caps with skulls on them for our Triumphs.
And somehow, despite increased volume and automation, with eBay and PayPal
fees, sellers pay 10-15% fees per transaction, as opposed to 2.5-3.5% in
the early days.
So like most things in the world a few bad apples and big corporate
management sort of ruined it for the rest of us.
Greg Lemon
TR250
On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 12:58 PM <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
> The one and only time I bought from them I left negative feedback. The
> owner sent me a really nasty email. For some reason, my feedback never
> appeared.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Rochlin
> Robert
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:47 AM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] free part
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve never bought anything form ForcarEnt nor do I plan to, but w=
hen I
> went to their eBay store to look out of curiosity they have 100% positive
> feedback. Given all the difficulties list members have had with the
> company I find it amazing that they have such positive feedback. I guess
> that now we abbe to be suspicious of the eBay feedback ratings.
>
> Best,
>
> Bob
>
> '72 TR6
>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2020, at 5:10 PM, dave <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> ForcarEnt
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I used to buy an sell on eBay a lot.=C2=A0 Started in the=
late 90s.=C2=A0 In the early days they called it a community, and to some =
extent it was.=C2=A0 Suddenly easy to find or sell old obscure car parts th=
at had a very limited market locally.=C2=A0 Many of the folks doing it were=
hobbyists like our listers here.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">In the early days no buyer protection, you bought based on an online de=
scription (remember the days before pictures were even common?) mailed your=
check or money order, and hoped the seller was honest enough to send you t=
he item and it would be as described.=C2=A0 Sellers started taking advantag=
e, bogus accounts, gouging on shipping.=C2=A0 E bay put in buyer protection=
.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Some buyers figured ou=
t that they could basically blackmail sellers by leaving bad feedback, warr=
anted or not, and they put in feedback disputes and such to make it harder =
to leave negative feedback.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">They also upped fees and restructured them to incentivize to list, char=
ging all or the lion's share of fees on sale and giving listing discoun=
ts to volume sellers.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So=
we end up with 100s of listings for pink steering wheel covers and valve s=
tem caps with skulls on them for our Triumphs.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">And somehow, despite increased volume and automation=
, with eBay and PayPal fees, sellers pay 10-15% fees per transaction, as op=
posed to 2.5-3.5% in the early days.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">So like most things in the world a few bad apples and big corp=
orate management sort of ruined it for the rest of us.</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir=3D"auto">TR250</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 12:58 PM <<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.=
net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"=
blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#=
1f497d">The one and only time I bought from them I left negative feedback.=
=C2=A0 The owner sent me a really nasty email. For some reason, my feedback=
never appeared.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d">Andrew Uprichard<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times Ne=
w Roman",serif;color:#1f497d">Jackson, Michigan<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman&q=
uot;,serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bou=
nces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">triump=
hs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rochlin Robert<br><b>=
Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:47 AM<br><b>To:</b> Triumphs <<a=
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] f=
ree part<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve never bought anything form Fo=
rcarEnt nor do I plan to, but when I went to their eBay store to look out o=
f curiosity they have 100% positive feedback.=C2=A0 Given all the difficult=
ies list members have had with the company I find it amazing that they have=
such positive feedback. I guess that now we abbe to be suspicious of the e=
Bay feedback ratings.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 </span>Best,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 </span>Bob<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
</span>'72 TR6<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u=
></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 6, 2020, at 5:10 PM, dave <<a href=3D=
"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">d=
ave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">ForcarEnt<u></u><u></=
u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p></div></div></div>** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"n=
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