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Re: [TR] what is going on?????

To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>, "triumphs@autox.team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:18:24 +0000
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Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, I=92d guess. The battery=
 internal resistance (think of a resistor in series with the battery) could=
 large relative to the parasitic current path on the car, but negligible re=
lative to the resistance of the multimeter.

Cliff

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of dave <dave@ra=
nteer.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????


Yes.  I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.  positive



From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????



Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter=
?



On many modes they can be reversed.



Geo



m>> wrote:

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=92t running o=
r driving, needed some work, battery was dead.



Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from=
 another car.



Set the jeep=92s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to tr=
y it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.



Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!



Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the=
 electrical system.



The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97



Reversed it and got 9.97.



Checked the good battery =96 no, the multimeter is not broken.



Checked the jeep=92s old battery again, same results.  Good battery =96 sam=
e results (about 12.97)



What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the batt=
ery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must hav=
e mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.



Can anyone explain this to me?



And yes, we are replacing the battery


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e car, I=92d guess. The battery internal resistance (think of a resistor in=
 series with the battery) could large relative to the parasitic current pat=
h on the car, but negligible relative
 to the resistance of the multimeter.</div>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Geo Hahn &lt;ahwahneetr@gmail.com&gt;=
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly co=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">On many modes they can be reversed.</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Geo</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">We bought a car a few months ago (an 88=
 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn=92t running or driving, needed some work, batte=
ry was dead.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Today we finally got it running and dri=
ving using a known good battery from another car.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Set the jeep=92s battery up on a charge=
r a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded=
 in getting it running and driving.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Hooked up the positive first, then touc=
hing the negative caused a spark!!!!</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Double checked that we had the ground t=
o the engine and the positive to the electrical system.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">The multimeter, with the red on the pos=
itive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Reversed it and got 9.97.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Checked the good battery =96 no, the mu=
ltimeter is not broken.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Checked the jeep=92s old battery again,=
 same results.&nbsp; Good battery =96 same results (about 12.97)</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">What is going on????&nbsp; how is this =
possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told m=
e this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, tha=
t its not possible.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">Can anyone explain this to me?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">And yes, we are replacing the battery</=
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