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For what it's worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more now. One=
: prescriptive. Two: descriptive. Three: Transformational.
Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive. Language "must" a=
dhere. =20
Trouble is, language is constantly evolving. Sentence subjects are no long=
er as gender specific. It's now okay to write lite instead of light. Desc=
riptive grammar is how people actually use it. Hence it's not inappropriat=
e to use the term "needs restored."
Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to whe=
n it is first acquired as an infant. Children "babble" in Chinese long bef=
ore they actually start speaking Chinese. Deep structure is the term used =
for when a thought first becomes language and helps describe when ellipses =
remove words, yet we still understand the meaning: "Needs [to be] restored=
like that one."
I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was teachin=
g remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English Nazis al=
l through school. It took some major doing to get them to relax enough wit=
h language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to English words f=
rom an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don't sweat that you haven=
't memorized the difference between night and knight. =20
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> On January 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist@cox.net> wrote:
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> I resemble that remark! :)
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> > > On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault@verizo=
n.net> wrote:
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> > I=E2=80=99m an uptight New Englander who was taught English gra=
mmar by nuns who had sticks. 8-). Face Book, was the first place I=E2=
=80=99d seen this usage. Now it appears in a mailing list message.
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> > =E2=80=9CNeeds Restored like that one.=E2=80=9D
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> > ---------------------------------
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> > I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what? Then de=
ep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying =E2=80=9CYou=
will write =E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackbo=
ard. When you are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 =
100 times as well.=E2=80=9D =20
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> > So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answe=
r privately, super. Do you use this sentence construction habitually? In=
what part of the country do you live? I was not an English major. I=E2=80=
=99m definitely not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything corre=
ctly, but I=E2=80=99m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage=
and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
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> > Let=E2=80=99s hear it for fluif.
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For what it's worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more now.&n=
bsp; One: prescriptive. Two: descriptive. Three:&nb=
sp; Transformational.
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Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive. Language =
"must" adhere.
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color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
Trouble is, language is constantly evolving. Sentence subjects are=
no longer as gender specific. It's now okay to write lite instead of=
light. Descriptive grammar is how people actually use it. Henc=
e it's not inappropriate to use the term "needs restored."
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color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
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<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to =
when it is first acquired as an infant. Children "babble" in Chinese =
long before they actually start speaking Chinese. Deep structure is t=
he term used for when a thought first becomes language and helps describe w=
hen ellipses remove words, yet we still understand the meaning: "Need=
s [to be] restored like that one."
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was teac=
hing remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English Nazis=
all through school. It took some major doing to get them to relax en=
ough with language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to English=
words from an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don't sweat that y=
ou haven't memorized the difference between night and knight.
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
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color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">
Obligatory Triumph content: "I put fluif in my Triumf."
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On January 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist@cox.net> wrote:=
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<p>I resemble that remark! :)</p>
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On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault@verizon.net&g=
t; wrote:=20
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<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal">Warning:  =
; This is not Triumph related. </p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m an upti=
ght New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.&nb=
sp; 8-). Face Book, was the first place I=E2=80=99d=
seen this usage. Now it appears in a mailing list message.</p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">=E2=80=9CNeeds R=
estored like that one.=E2=80=9D</p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">----------------=
-----------------</p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">I look at that a=
nd first wonder, needs restored what? Then deep in the recesses=
of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying =E2=80=9CYou will write =
=E2=80=98needs to be restored=E2=80=99 100 times on the blackboard. When yo=
u are done, you will write =E2=80=98needs restoration=E2=80=99 100 times as=
well.=E2=80=9D </p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">So, since it is =
not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super. &nb=
sp; Do you use this sentence construction habitually? In what part of=
the country do you live? I was not an English major. I=E2=80=99m def=
initely not a great writer and don=E2=80=99t spell everything correctly, bu=
t I=E2=80=99m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and thi=
s is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.</p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">Let=E2=80=99s he=
ar it for fluif.</p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText"> </p>
<p class=3D"ox-a706b5d372-ox-fa320755a5-MsoPlainText">Ron L=E2=80=99He=
rault</p>
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