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Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

To: Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>, list Triumph <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:01:53 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: "Brad Smith \(britspcars@gmail.com\)" <britspcars@gmail.com>
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Just curious.  Is it possible the previous owner put in shorter studs than =
stock????

> On August 15, 2019 at 3:43 PM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
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>     FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.
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>     One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fi=
t on the shaft.  If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you =
should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite =E2=80=9Cretain=
ing compounds=E2=80=9D.  I=E2=80=99ve had good luck with RC609, but they ma=
ke one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.
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>     But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.
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>     -- Randall
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>     From: Brian Thomas mailto:thomasb@queensu.ca
>     Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
>     To: list Triumph mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net
>     Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars@gmail.com) mailto:britspcars@gmail.com
>     Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
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>     Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the=
 water pump which although working and not leaking wasn=E2=80=99t as smooth=
 turning as it should be.   The original pump (with grease fitting) had bee=
n replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version  which a=
ppears to be dated 1978.  I believe the pulley present is original or at le=
ast original style.
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>     My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement =
has sizing issues.=20
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>     The mounting flange is 1/16=E2=80=9D thicker than the QH pump.  The c=
onsequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving =
I suspect about a 1/16=E2=80=9D depression.  The second problem is with the=
 nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.  This nut is about twice the diameter =
of the originals and so thick it doesn=E2=80=99t come close to engaging the=
 nyloc feature.  The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement wit=
h a thinner version might help but not enough.
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>     Anyone else experienced this?  Solutions?
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>     Comments appreciated.
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>     Cheers,
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>     Brian
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>     _____________________________________________________________________=
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>        Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   ThomasB@QueensU.C=
a mailto:ThomasB@QueensU.Ca
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>        92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
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>        Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67=
 TR4A,  01 XKR,=20
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>        CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920
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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Just curious.&#160; Is it possible the p=
revious owner put in shorter studs than stock????</p><blockquote type=3D"ci=
te">On August 15, 2019 at 3:43 PM Randall &#60;tr3driver@ca.rr.com&#62; wro=
te: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-7f98b=
c516a-MsoNormal">FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.</=
p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-=
MsoNormal">One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very sn=
ug fit on the shaft.&#160; If your old pulley will go on with just your fin=
gers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite &#822=
0;retaining compounds&#8221;.&#160; I&#8217;ve had good luck with RC609, bu=
t they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.</p><p class=3D"ox-=
7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">But th=
e new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.</p><p class=
=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"=
>-- Randall</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><div style=3D=
"border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;=
"><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal" style=3D"border: none; padding: 0in;=
"><strong>From: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:thomasb@queensu.ca";>Brian Thomas=
</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM<br><strong=
>To: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>list Triumph</a><b=
r><strong>Cc: </strong><a href=3D"mailto:britspcars@gmail.com";>Brad Smith (=
britspcars@gmail.com)</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] TR2/3/4 Water P=
umps</p></div><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox=
-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: =
#0070c0;">Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace=
 the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn&#8217;t as smoo=
th turning as it should be. &#160;&#160;The original pump (with grease fitt=
ing) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) vers=
ion &#160;which appears to be dated 1978.&#160; I believe the pulley presen=
t is original or at least original style. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc5=
16a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;=
"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">My problem is the Lucas-boxed =
4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues.&#160; </span></p>=
<p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic San=
s MS'; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">The moun=
ting flange is 1/16&#8221; thicker than the QH pump.&#160; The consequence =
of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect a=
bout a 1/16&#8221; depression.&#160; The second problem is with the nyloc n=
ut that holds the pulley on.&#160; This nut is about twice the diameter of =
the originals and so thick it doesn&#8217;t come close to engaging the nylo=
c feature.&#160; The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement wit=
h a thinner version might help but not enough. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f=
98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #00=
70c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Anyone else experienced =
this?&#160; Solutions? </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></=
p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic S=
ans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Comments appreciated. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7=
f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0=
070c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Cheers, </span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'=
; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;">Brian </span>=
</p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt; color: #c0504d;">__________________________________________________=
_____________________</span></strong></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160; Brian Th=
omas&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160=
;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; &#160; &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;=
 </span><strong><em><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: gray;">E-mail:=
</span></em></strong><strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070=
c0;">&#160;&#160; </span></strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: =
#0070c0;"><a href=3D"mailto:ThomasB@QueensU.Ca";>ThomasB@QueensU.Ca</a> </sp=
an></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0p=
t; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160;&#160;92 Wyona Lane&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;=
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; &#160; &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&=
#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; </span><strong><em><span style=3D"font-size: =
12.0pt; color: gray;">Phone:</span></em></strong><strong><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160; </span></strong><span style=
=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">613-385-1947 </span></p><p class=3D=
"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;=
">&#160;&#160; Wolfe Island,&#160; Ontario &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#=
160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; </span><strong><em><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: gray;">Toys:</span></em></strong><str=
ong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#160; </span>=
</strong><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">54 TR2,&#160; 5=
6 TR3,&#160; 67 TR4A,&#160; 01 XKR,&#160; </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc5=
16a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; color: #0070c0;">&#160;&#1=
60;&#160;CANADA&#160;&#160; K0H 2Y0&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#16=
0;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&=
#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#16=
0; 75 John Deere 920 </span></p><p class=3D"ox-7f98bc516a-MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: #0070c0;"> &#160; </span></p>=
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