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When I restored my TR3 back in 2004'ish, it took a total re-start, includin=
g a bit of welding at the frame. The block was, I though, solid, but turns=
out the machinist found cracks in the webbing that supported the liners. =
A List member gave me a free block. Only cost was a trip to Connecticut to=
pick it up. Solid cars.=20
> On February 10, 2019 at 4:45 PM John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org=
.uk> wrote:
>=20
> Makes me laugh sometimes when this lore comes back. Ye gods, Standard=
could afford to provide a one armed war wounded man a paintbrush!!!
> What so many over the pond continuously fail to appreciate when it co=
mes to the wet liner four pot is that the block was common to many differen=
t uses. The basic block appeared in the TR, Vanguard, Ensign, Leyland 15 an=
d 20 later on and in differing sizes for industrial applications. One basic=
block, many different engine types! The =E2=80=9Cpaint codes, colours and =
shapes=E2=80=9D were worked out by engine assembly people in line with engi=
ne build sheets. They knew what they were doing and as long as the correct =
unit was built, no one else worried.
> The story about Sir John Black and returning servicemen is another af=
fair of equal import. I wrote it out for TVT some years ago but someone cho=
pped lumps out of it and I vetoed the print because it gave a rather differ=
ent and by no means as comprehensive account, and skewed the narrative to B=
lack=E2=80=99s disadvantage.
>=20
> Jonmac
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> On 10 Feb 2019, at 16:34, Don Hiscock < don.hiscock@gmail.com mailto:=
don.hiscock@gmail.com > wrote:
>=20
>=20
> > > My April 1962 TR3B=E2=80=99s engine=E2=80=99s marshal=
ing marks were brushed for sure.=20
> >=20
> > On Sunday, February 10, 2019, Stan Foster < stan@redtr6.com mai=
lto:stan@redtr6.com > wrote:
> >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > The few that I have seen personally have a brushed appear=
ance. =C2=BE inch wide, coarse brush. A one armed man can still use a brush=
.
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > Stan
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net mailto:tr=
iumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:25 AM
> > > To: Lawarence Schwartz <L1j1s@aol.com mailto:L1j1s@aol.co=
m >
> > > Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net mailto:triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net >
> > > Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > Perhaps our forum friend John Macartney canl come in with=
more and better information, but Sir John Black made a real commitment to =
disabled war vets. S-T found productive work for many, for years and years=
. It wouldn't surprise me at all that one of those positions was marking e=
ngines.
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > Don
> > >=20
> > > 1962 TR3B TSF202L
> > >=20
> > > =20
> > >=20
> > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 7:06 AM Lawarence Schwartz <L1j1s=
@aol.com mailto:L1j1s@aol.com > wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > With reference to the Tr3 engine block markings I =
remember reading several years ago along with having conversations a Tr gat=
herings that at the end of the engine production line there was one employe=
e with only one arm and he was responsible for writing TR 3 using just one =
finger which he zipped into the orange red paint and scribbled the markings=
on the engine block. Larry Schwartz
> > > >=20
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:44 AM, wbeech <wbeech@flash.=
net mailto:wbeech@flash.net > wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > Great picture Don, I have always re-painted t=
he orange =E2=80=9CTR3=E2=80=9D after an engine rebuild, used Chevrolet eng=
ine orange. Had never seen the china marker markings before.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >=20
> > > > > =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM
> > > > > To: John Macartney <John.Macartney@ukpips.org=
.uk mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk >; Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.ne=
t mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TR] Paint code
> > > > >=20
> > > > > =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Here's an image of the Coventry assembly line=
taken by a member of the tour group on Triumph USA's 1958 Rally of Europe =
for new owners who took their delivery at the factory and toured the Contin=
ent. One can see some of the various marshalling marks on the engines read=
y to be used on the line.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0=
/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86a=
c2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
> > > > >=20
> > > > > =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartne=
y <John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk > wrote=
:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Thing is Jack, that this far down the t=
rack, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at the factory =
did either:)
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Cheers, John
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey =
<McGaheyRx@aol.com mailto:McGaheyRx@aol.com > wrote:
> > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > I have those markings on my TR6 b=
lock - reapplied after engine rebuild during restoration.
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > I can=E2=80=99t speak about TRA, =
but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pack look for these markings, or deduct=
for their absence, during Concours judging - and I=E2=80=99ve never heard =
anybody say they knew what they meant or why they are there.=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > Jack Mc
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John=
Macartney <john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk mailto:john.macartney@ukpips.org.u=
k > wrote:
> > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > Jim
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > In the rebuild of your car,=
did you by chance find any obscure markings in yellow or white chinagraph =
chalk on the engine block? These were common identifiers used at the factor=
y that were understood by those who worked in engine assembly =E2=80=93 but=
no-one else. Primarily, the mark was to distinguish the machined but unass=
embled block as being an ultimate engine for a North America spec car. Not =
all the blocks had these marks but I do know many others have encountered t=
hem years later and wondered what the hell they were. Being anxious to repl=
icate what had been there after re-painting the block, they replaced the co=
de. I=E2=80=99d be very surprised if TRA or VTR have extra marks in their j=
udging books =E2=80=93 or even deduct marks if they weren=E2=80=99t there.
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > Cheers, Jonmac
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bo=
unces@autox.teamnet mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > On Behalf Of J=
im Henningsen
> > > > > > > > Sent: 17 January 2019 12:31
> > > > > > > > To: wbeech@flash.net mailto=
:wbeech@flash.net
> > > > > > > > Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@auto=
x.team.net mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TR] Paint cod=
e
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > Bill:
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > I have the TRA judging guid=
e for the TR4 and have been using it as my plumb line for the restoration g=
oing back to 2010 when I purchased the car. The trick is what to tell the =
auto paint store for a color to match that would be acceptable to judges. =
My goal isn=E2=80=99t to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully recr=
eate the car as it was born. I am not interested in trophies. Over the 8 =
years restoring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info from=
the expert judges and respected restorers of these cars. I=E2=80=99d love =
to know more specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA think=
correct. Also, I heard Macy=E2=80=99s Garage had an early TR4at the last =
TRA event. Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car they could sha=
re. The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a great reputation=
. =20
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > Thanks so much,
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > Jim Henningsen
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 P=
M, Wbeech@flash.net mailto:Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net mailto:wbeech=
@flash.net > wrote:
> > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > Judging guide Referen=
ce Should be TRA, my oversight.=20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 8=
:29 PM, Wbeech@flash.net mailto:Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net mailto:w=
beech@flash.net > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > If y=E2=80=99all will=
allow one more =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D to weigh in, the VTR Judging Gu=
idlines state, =E2=80=9CThe canister is painted ice blue (specific color un=
known) which takes a pale green caste with age.=E2=80=9D
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > I=E2=80=99ll stick wi=
th my Valspar Peacock Blue.=20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > Sent from my Motorola=
8000X
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 2=
:09 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock@gmail.com mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com > w=
rote:
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > The TR Register (UK) =
forum had a thread on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few yea=
rs ago.
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > https://www.tr-regist=
er.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/ https://wwwtr-regis=
ter.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > Note especially the c=
omments by our late, great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lo=
ts of variations and the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more w=
orried about keeping lines going and spares supplied than getting details "=
right" around shade.
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > The thread has some u=
seful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it subjects around our car=
s.
> > > > > > > > >=20
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> > > > > > > > > Don
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > 1962 TR3B TSF202L
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 =
at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com mailto:trguy75@gmail.com > =
wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > Anyone have a s=
ource for correct paint color on early 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing=
. TRA judging manual says ice blue that patinas to a pale green. Looking =
for a color code I can give my paint shop. Thanks to any concours experts=
out there.
> > > > > > > > > > Jim Henningsen
> > > > > > > > > > Ocala FL
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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">When I restored my TR3 back in 2004'=
ish, it took a total re-start, including a bit of welding at the frame.=
0; The block was, I though, solid, but turns out the machinist found cracks=
in the webbing that supported the liners.  A List member gave me a fr=
ee block.  Only cost was a trip to Connecticut to pick it up.  So=
lid cars.  <br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On February 10, 2019 at 4=
:45 PM John Macartney <John.Macartney@Ukpips.org.uk> wrote: <br> <b=
r>Makes me laugh sometimes when this lore comes back. Ye gods, Standard cou=
ld afford to provide a one armed war wounded man a paintbrush!!!<div>What s=
o many over the pond continuously fail to appreciate when it comes to the w=
et liner four pot is that the block was common to many different uses. The =
basic block appeared in the TR, Vanguard, Ensign, Leyland 15 and 20 later o=
n and in differing sizes for industrial applications. One basic block, many=
different engine types! The “paint codes, colours and shapes” =
were worked out by engine assembly people in line with engine build sheets.=
They knew what they were doing and as long as the correct unit was built, =
no one else worried.</div><div>The story about Sir John Black and returning=
servicemen is another affair of equal import. I wrote it out for TVT some =
years ago but someone chopped lumps out of it and I vetoed the print becaus=
e it gave a rather different and by no means as comprehensive account, and =
skewed the narrative to Black’s disadvantage.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Jonmac <br> <br><div id=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">=
Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On 10 Feb 2019, at 16:34, Don H=
iscock < <a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com";>don.hiscock@gmail.com=
</a>> wrote: <br> <br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
My April 1962 TR3B’s engine’s marshaling marks were brushed for=
sure.  <br> <br>On Sunday, February 10, 2019, Stan Foster < <a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:stan@redtr6.com";>stan@redtr6.com</a>> wrote: <br><blockquo=
te><div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">The few that I have seen =
personally have a brushed appearance. ¾ inch wide, coarse brush. A one=
armed man can still use a brush.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1=
a-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">S=
tan<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u><=
/u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Triumphs=
<<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noopener">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.<wbr/>net</a>> <strong>On =
Behalf Of </strong>Don Hiscock<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, February =
10, 2019 8:25 AM<br> <strong>To:</strong> Lawarence Schwartz <<a href=
=3D"mailto:L1j1s@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">L1j1s@aol.com<=
/a>><br> <strong>Cc:</strong> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">triumphs@autox.team.net<=
/a>><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Paint code<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Perhaps our forum friend John Macartney canl c=
ome in with more and better information, but Sir John Black made a real com=
mitment to disabled war vets.  S-T found productive work for many, for=
years and years.  It wouldn't surprise me at all that one of thos=
e positions was marking engines.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e4266=
6aa1a-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa=
1a-MsoNormal">Don<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-Mso=
Normal">1962 TR3B TSF202L<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"ox-e4266=
6aa1a-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1=
a-MsoNormal">On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 7:06 AM Lawarence Schwartz <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:L1j1s@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">L1j1s@aol.com=
</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><div><p class=3D"ox-e42=
666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">With reference to the T=
r3 engine  block markings I remember reading several years ago along w=
ith having conversations a Tr gatherings that at the end of the engine prod=
uction line there was one employee with only one arm and he was responsible=
for writing TR 3 using just one finger which he zipped into the orange red=
paint and scribbled the markings on the engine block. Larry Schwartz<u></u=
><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"ma=
rgin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><br> On Jan 18, 2019, at 12:44 AM, wbeech <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">wbeech@fla=
sh.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Great picture=
Don, I have always re-painted the orange “TR3” after an engine=
rebuild, used Chevrolet engine orange.  Had never seen the china mark=
er markings before.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;">Bill</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color: #1f497d;"> </span><=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong=
> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noopener">mailto:triumphs-bounces@<wbr/>autox.team.net</a>] <s=
trong>On Behalf Of </strong>Don Hiscock<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Thursday=
, January 17, 2019 5:47 PM<br> <strong>To:</strong> John Macartney <<a =
href=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noope=
ner">John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>><wbr/>; Triumphs <<a href=3D"=
mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">triumphs=
@autox.team.net</a>><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Paint code<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u><=
/p><div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Here's an image of th=
e Coventry assembly line taken by a member of the tour group on Triumph USA=
's 1958 Rally of Europe for new owners who took their delivery at the f=
actory and toured the Continent.  One can see some of the various mars=
halling marks on the engines ready to be used on the line.<u></u><u></u></p=
><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://photos.smugmu=
g.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noopener">https://photos.smugmug.com/<wbr/>photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/<=
wbr/>i-b5KrzK2.jpg</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"ox-e4=
2666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666=
aa1a-MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 5:38 PM John Macartney <<a href=
=3D"mailto:John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener"=
>John.Macartney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><block=
quote><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Thing is Jack, that this fa=
r down the track, no one knows! In fact, I doubt the majority of people at =
the factory did either:)<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-Ms=
oNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Cheers, John<u></u><u></u></p><div><=
p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;=
"><br> On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:50, Jack McGahey <<a href=3D"mailto:McGahe=
yRx@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">McGaheyRx@aol.com</a>> =
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-Ms=
oNormal">I have those markings on my TR6 block - reapplied after engine reb=
uild during restoration.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-Ms=
oNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNo=
rmal">I can’t speak about TRA, but I can say that neither VTR or 6-pa=
ck look for these markings, or deduct for their absence, during Concours ju=
dging - and I’ve never heard anybody say they knew what they meant or=
why they are there. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e4266=
6aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa=
1a-MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a=
-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Jack Mc<u></u><u></u></p><div>=
<p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt=
;"><br> On Jan 17, 2019, at 9:27 AM, John Macartney <<a href=3D"mailto:=
john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">john.macar=
tney@ukpips.org.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><div>=
<div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Jim<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-=
MsoNormal">In the rebuild of your car, did you by chance find any obscure m=
arkings in yellow or white chinagraph chalk on the engine block? These were=
common identifiers used at the factory that were understood by those who w=
orked in engine assembly – but no-one else. Primarily, the mark was t=
o distinguish the machined but unassembled block as being an ultimate engin=
e for a North America spec car. Not all the blocks had these marks but I do=
know many others have encountered them years later and wondered what the h=
ell they were. Being anxious to replicate what had been there after re-pain=
ting the block, they replaced the code. I’d be very surprised if TRA =
or VTR have extra marks in their judging books – or even deduct marks=
if they weren’t there.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-Ms=
oNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Cheer=
s, Jonmac<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></=
u><u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #e1e1e1 1.0=
pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><stro=
ng>From:</strong> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">triumphs-bounces@autox.<wbr/>tea=
mnet</a>> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Jim Henningsen<br> <strong>Sent=
:</strong> 17 January 2019 12:31<br> <strong>To:</strong> <a href=3D"mailto=
:wbeech@flash.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">wbeech@flash.net</a><=
br> <strong>Cc:</strong> Triumphs <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><=
br> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] Paint code<u></u><u></u></p></div></=
div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Bill:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42=
666aa1a-MsoNormal">I have the TRA judging guide for the TR4 and have been u=
sing it as my plumb line for the restoration going back to 2010 when I purc=
hased the car.  The trick is what to tell the auto paint store for a c=
olor to match that would be acceptable to judges.  My goal isn’t=
to beat everyone in a concours but to faithfully recreate the car as it wa=
s born.  I am not interested in trophies.  Over the 8 years resto=
ring this car, s I have sometimes found it hard to get info from the expert=
judges and respected restorers of these cars. I’d love to know more =
specifics on the color and or source that experts in TRA think correct.=
0; Also, I heard Macy’s Garage had an early TR4at the last TRA event.=
  Does anyone have any detailed photos of that car they could share.&#=
160; The few I saw looked magnificent and they have such a great reputation=
.  <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">T=
hanks so much,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Jim Henningsen<u></u><u></u></p><div>=
<p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt=
;"><br> On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:42 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a href=3D"mail=
to:wbeech@flash.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">wbeech@flash.net</a=
>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><div><div><p class=3D"ox-e=
42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Judging guide Reference Should be TRA, my oversight.&#=
160;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Bill<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"marg=
in-bottom: 12.0pt;">On Jan 16, 2019, at 8:29 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@f=
lash.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">wbeech@f=
lash.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666a=
a1a-MsoNormal">If y’all will allow one more “authority” t=
o weigh in, the VTR Judging Guidlines state, “The canister is painted=
ice blue (specific color unknown) which takes a pale green caste with age.=
”<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">I’ll =
stick with my Valspar Peacock Blue. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">Bill<u></u><u=
></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Sent from my Motorola 80=
00X<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><br> On Jan 16, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Don Hiscock &=
#60;<a href=3D"mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noope=
ner">don.hiscock@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div=
><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">The TR Register (UK) forum had a=
thread on the subject of oil filter canister housings a few years ago.<u><=
/u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://=
wwwtr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/44252-oil-filter-bowl/" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">https://www.tr-register.co.uk/<wbr/>forums/ind=
ex.php?/topic/44252-<wbr/>oil-filter-bowl/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Note especially the comments by our late,=
great friend Alec Pringle about his experience with lots of variations and=
the quite realistic comment that S-T were a lot more worried about keeping=
lines going and spares supplied than getting details "right" aroun=
d shade.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">&=
#160;<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">The =
thread has some useful info, but this is one of those don't-sweat-it su=
bjects around our cars.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa=
1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-=
MsoNormal">Don<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666aa1a-MsoNor=
mal">1962 TR3B TSF202L<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"ox-e4=
2666aa1a-MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ox-e42666=
aa1a-MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:01 PM James Henningsen <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:trguy75@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">trguy75=
@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote><p class=3D"o=
x-e42666aa1a-MsoNormal">Anyone have a source for correct paint color on ear=
ly 1962 TR4 oil filter canister housing.  TRA judging manual says ice =
blue that patinas to a pale green.  Looking for a color code I can giv=
e my paint shop.   Thanks to any concours experts out there. <br>=
Jim Henningsen <br> Ocala FL<br> <br> <br> Sent from my iPhone<br> ** <a h=
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