Folks, about 2 hours ago I said I had located a couple of copies of the
Haynes TR2/3/4 manuals. From the replies I got I see there is still confusion
about these damn things. Here is a repost of the explanation I sent to the
list in Feb. One additional point is: The Haynes manuals used to be available
for about $20 -- the Bentley's (and the original workshop manual of which it
is a reprint) usually costs more than twice that.
Art Kelly
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In a message dated 98-02-19 16:54:13 EST, ArthurK101@aol.com writes:
> Recently I have seen what I think is a little confusion regarding the
> Bentley
> and Haynes manuals. This is provided for clarification.
>
> Bentley - the Bentley manuals are reprints of the original Triumph Factory
> workshop manuals. These were the workshop manuals which could be bought at
> a
> Triumph dealer when there still were dealers. Bentley obtained (bought?)
> permission to reprint those manuals. I have an original TR4 factory manual
> from the '60's and the Bentley's. They are identical. BTW -included in
the
> Bentley's TR4 manual is a copy of the factory competition manual and the
> "owner's manual" (the one that came in the glovebox of new Triumphs) - this
> "owner's manual" is pretty comprehensive when compared with new car
"owner's
> manuals" of today.
>
> Haynes - Haynes is another story. Their manuals are supposed to be based
on
> the fact that they buy a car, tear it apart, and them reassemble it. This
> experience is documented and then written up for publication.
>
> As you can see, the Bentley and the Haynes manuals are NOT the same.
> However, they complement each other.
>
> The original factory workshop manual (now reprinted by Bentley) was
designed
> for Triumph dealers' mechanics to use when working on the cars. The
> assumption was that the mechanics were trained on or knew how to do the
> necessary work. All they needed was an engineering reference for the
specs,
> torques, dimensions etc. An owner could buy a workshop manual from a
dealer
> if the owner wanted a reference to use when working on his own car. (I
> bought
> mine to use for those times I could make the repairs etc. myself. (That
way
> I could save the labor costs at the dealer's shop).
>
> The Haynes manual, on the other hand, goes more (relatively) into HOW the
> work
> is done. The torques, specs etc. are there but not in as much detail. But
> the Haynes is useful when, for example, you don't know how "something" is
> put
> together and the factory manual (Bentley) shows you a diagram without much
> of
> an explanation. The Haynes will show you a picture and then explain how
> that
> "something" comes apart and is put back together. As a result - the
Bentley
> and Haynes manuals together are extremely helpful - even if you are not an
> accomplished mechanic.
>
> There are other manuals (Climers, Chilton etc.) from the period when our
> cars
> were new. They are all useful to some degree. No matter which ones I use
> for
> a reference I can always find some new slant. But I carry both the Haynes
> and the Bentley manuals in the trunk (boot). Those two have saved my butt
> on several occasions.
> Cheers.
>
> Art Kelly '64 TR4 CT33118L (original owner/factory pickup)
>
>
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