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Re: GD series Herald engines [was Re: Spit Parts] -- a bit longish

To: Andrew Mace <amace@unix2.nysed.gov>
Subject: Re: GD series Herald engines [was Re: Spit Parts] -- a bit longish
From: pwatson@ix.netcom.com (Pete Watson)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:45:46 -0700
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
You wrote: 
>
>On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Pete Watson wrote:
>
>> GD...HE 
>> >> engines were for the Herald 1200 and 12/50, built after February 
>> 1968.  
>> >                                                                    
  
>> >Shouldn't that be February 1963?
>> >                              ^
>> >
>>      No, the manual says that that engine range is from 1968 
onwards.  
>> There is a different range of engine numbers for the earlier Herald 
>> engines (I don't have the manual with me at the moment, so I don't 
have 
>> the details).
>
>Pete, is that a Leyland or Standard-Triumph publication? It's wrong, 
>whoever published it. The GD series is basically the 12/50 motor (48 
or 
>51 hp.), which was installed in many (most? all?) Herald 1200s and 
>Sports 1200s (same car) destined for the US from sometime in 1964 on. 
GD is 
>also the Commission number for the 12/50 series.
>
>This might help clarify (from VTR's WWW pages, Herald section):
>
><TITLE>The Triumph Herald/Vitesse Spotter's Guide</TITLE>
>
>[....]
>
><h2>Herald/Sports 6 Spotter's Guide -- US Models</h2>
>
>[....]
>Numbering of Major Components
></b>
>
><p> For the most part, engines, gearboxes and rear axle units are
>numbered similarly to the cars, although there are some exceptions.
>[NOTE: as with other Triumph engine units, the HE suffix denotes a
>high compression engine, and LE denotes a low compression engine.]
>
>[....]
>
><p> <li> <b>Herald 1200; Sports 1200 </b> The GA prefix is most
>commonly found on engine, gearbox and rear axle (4.11:1). Prefix
>letters GD may also be found on engines; this denotes either the 48
>hp. or 51 hp. version of the "12/50" engine.
>
><p> <li> <b> Herald 13/60 (not officially imported to the U.S.)</b>
>The GE prefix is most often found on engine and rear axle; GA prefix
>continues on gearbox....
>
>
>
>I'm pretty sure that whatever source you're looking at should read 
>February 1963, not 1968.
>            ^
>Sorry to nitpick (honest, Pete, it's nothing personal), but I don't 
like to 
>see an error perpetuated because of a typo in one published work. All 
>sources I've seen, including a 1964 Sports 1200 I owned way back when 
>(with an original GD series engine), confirm the 1963 start date for 
the 
>GD series engines.
>
>Andrew Mace
>10/Herald/Vitesse (Sports 6) Consultant
>Vintage Triumph Register
>amace@unix2.nysed.gov
>
>
Andy,
     All I know is what I read.  This is a reprint of the official 
Standard-Triumph factory workshop manual.  It shows that the engine 
numbers for the early Herald 1200 and 12/50 start with GA, and that the 
engines starting with GD are "1968 onwards".  Whoever put together 
those Spotter's Guides may have misinterpreted his source information, 
as it is a little confusing the way it is laid out in the factory 
manual.  If you want, I could fax you the page.
 
Pete

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