He also talked about there being a bulge in the trunk to clear the rear end on
Tigersâ?¦ but did not mention the relocated spare tire and battery.
Itâ??s tough for guys like him that review a lot of different cars and have to
try to pick up points of interest on each oneâ?¦ they are always going to get
massacred by the marque specialists.
Theo
> On Mar 16, 2022, at 7:31 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>
> Tom
>
> Sunbeam Thunderbolt was the code name for the 1963 Tiger concept.
>
> Sunbeam Tiger was the 1925 race car driven by Major Henry O.D. Seagrave.
>
> This is from Bill Carroll's book - pgs. 19 & 45 - also on pg.41 "the big
> bruiser of a man and the biggest mallet I've seen."
>
> I'm sure in many cases Steve Magnante is researching the car he find on the
> internet on the spot and we know from experience most of that information is
> questionable.
>
> My guess is Steve is trying to find a good way to earn a living.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Witt via Tigers
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:59 PM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clueless video
>
> I re-watched the whole video again today. There seems 8 things he got wrong
> to some degree (in order of appearance):
>
> He addressed the Tiger badging but neglected to mention the distinctive side
> trim.
>
> He referred to the steering rack as "below the A-arms." That is a term I
> have never heard and he failed to mention the rack was notched into the
> front/top of the crossmember.
>
> The firewall hammering issue was AGAIN brought up.
>
> The Alpine/Tiger is not a body on frame car as he stated.
>
> He stated the roll up windows were in the rear.
>
> He stated the rear end was a Dana or Salisbury 45, not the 44 that it is.
>
> He eluded that the BW transmission was a only in the prototypes but the
> first 50 or so Tigers had them.
>
> The last point I am not familiar with but he states the 1927 (he says
> 1925) land speed Sunbeam was called the "Thunderbolt." The internet says
> Campbell called the car the Bluebird it was also nick named "The Slug".
> I found no reference of it being called a Thunderbolt According Mike Taylor's
> book in the early 60's the (to be) Tiger was referred to as a Thunderbolt
> but as Ford was using the name it was changed to Tiger. Too much to read at
> the moment to see what TBON has to say.
>
> I actually met Magnante at the Mopar Spring/Fall Fling. He is a very
> personable guy. For whatever reason other than the Barrett Jackson events his
> career seems to be in a holding pattern. He seems to be struggling to find
> his place in the internet world. Maybe accuracy has something to do with it.
> The day before he did a video on Studebaker and got a number of things wrong
> there too.
>
>
>
> On 3/16/2022 2:53 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers wrote:
>> I saw the video Tom Witt pointed out. That guy is beyond clueless; he
>> doesnâ??t know what heâ??s talking about. And he comes on that heâ??s a
>> expert. There are to be a lawâ?¦ Jim Armstrong
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>>> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:06:56 -0400
>>> From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>>> To: "'James Armstrong'" <rollright@aol.com>
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>>> Jim
>>>
>>> I took a look at the remnants of my original tool kit strap.
>>>
>>> The witness marks indicate that the buckle was to the rear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James
>>> Armstrong via Tigers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:07 PM
>>> To: tigers@autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [Tigers] toll roll belt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My trunk restoration is coming to a close
>>>
>>> I have a question on the placement of the tool roll fixing belt
>>>
>>>
>>> When the toll roll is out, does the belt buckle lay towards the front
>>> of the car, or the rear
>>>
>>> I have pictures that depict both ways.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And if a picture is available, I'd really like to see them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours for the sport,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Armstrong
>>> rollright@aol.com <mailto:rollright@aol.com>
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>>> Not giving a clue here. The obvious is apparent.
>>> https://youtu.be/EqJH49jWD9w?t=90 This is cued to a relevant point
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