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If you are willing to modify your Tiger,
just put in a 5 speed, it is the best solution!
Don=E2=80=99t put in a big cam and leave the stock=20
rear end.
Gary
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, twotigers--- via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Look up Malibu Revue on the CAT website. He=E2=80=99s done a lot of toploa=
ders with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive.
> =20
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt via T=
igers
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM
> To: tigers@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
> =20
> "... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"
> =20
> Are you speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something equa=
l to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you stating to s=
wap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 speed?
> =20
> The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th ge=
ar. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission. http://da=
vidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm I believe is was used only in the 77-78=
Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when they were preva=
lent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anyth=
ing but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. I=
t has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing w=
as at least one of the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there i=
s some special gear out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mi=
leage only and not any reliability or performance driving enhancement.
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
> To: clydemclaughlin@verizon.net
> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
>=20
> I want to thank those who responded as you=E2=80=99ve provided much food f=
or thought.
> =20
> With my engine I=E2=80=99d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.
> =20
> One option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronicled for those with stock 4 spee=
d top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.
> =20
> For the open road of course.
> =20
> ~Allan Ballard
> ~~Mk1a Tiger
> ~~Series I Alpine=20
> =20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>=20
> I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comme=
nts on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want t=
o start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a fe=
w of my opinions on the subject. First and foremost fuel mileage and rear t=
ire wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing woul=
d be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD tran=
smission, followed with good engine tuning. Tire size that was previously m=
entioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combina=
tions for our Tigers. I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jackin=
g up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people l=
aughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going=
down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears wit=
h the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I curre=
ntly have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25m=
pg. Carb fuel mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and ru=
ns very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rp=
m. Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">If you are willing to modify your Tiger,<di=
v>just put in a 5 speed, it is the best solution!</div><div>Don=E2=80=99t pu=
t in a big cam and leave the stock </div><div>rear end.</div><div>Gary<=
/div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Dec 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, twotigers--- via=
Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><bloc=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Look up Malibu Revue on the CAT website. He=E2=80=99s done a lot of=
toploaders with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tige=
rs <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Witt via=
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> tig=
ers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] fuel milage<o:p></o:p></p=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",san=
s-serif;color:black">"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"</spa=
n></i><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black=
">Are you speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something=
equal to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you s=
tating to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 s=
peed?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black">The was an overdrive version of the Topload=
er that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as this link states it was not a perf=
ormance transmission. <a href=3D"http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposter=
s.htm">http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm</a> I believe=
is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking y=
ards back when they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) a=
nd I never recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD ov=
erdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter=
location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these tr=
ansmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploa=
der vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or perform=
ance driving enhancement.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----<b=
r>From: Allan Ballard <<a href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com";>aballard=
@ix.netcom.com</a>><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:clydemclaughlin@verizon.net"=
>clydemclaughlin@verizon.net</a><br>Cc: Tiger List List <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:tigers@autox.team.net">tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Fri, Dec 17,=
2021 12:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage<o:p></o:p></span></p><di=
v id=3D"yiv3593934553"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I want to thank=
those who responded as you=E2=80=99ve provided much food for thought. <o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">With my engine I=E2=80=99=
d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial"=
,sans-serif;color:black">One option that hasn=E2=80=99t been chronicled for t=
hose with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5=
th gear.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For the &=
nbsp;open road of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;co=
lor:black">~Allan Ballard<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black">~~Mk1a Tiger<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:black">~~Series I Alpine <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv35939=
34553AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sent from my iPhon=
e<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3D"yiv3593934553yqt08172"><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br>On Dec 11, 2021,=
at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I need to preface this posting wit=
h the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences an=
d ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the su=
bject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject. &n=
bsp;First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire wear has a direct co=
rrelation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang f=
or the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with g=
ood engine tuning. Tire size that was previously mentioned would be ve=
ry negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers=
. I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear w=
ith spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figu=
re they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all t=
he time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed an=
d a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 g=
ears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. Carb f=
uel mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs ver=
y well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. &nb=
sp;Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top=
:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bott=
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