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Re: Surfire way to tell a 289 HP block

To: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: Surfire way to tell a 289 HP block
From: Steve Laifman <SLaifman@SoCal.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:06:09 -0700
Bob,

Thanks for the nice pictorial guide to the HiPo. I will include this in 
our TigersUnited.com links section.

However, it is possible that the reader can be somewhat confused by one 
of the statements made about the crankshaft.

While it is a correct statement that "The HiPo crankshaft was an 
ordinary cast iron 289 crank, no special machining was claimed.", it is 
misleading.

 Yes, the crankshaft was one of the regular production crank runs, 
HOWEVER, after the crankshafts were heat treated, a number of them (if 
not all) were tested for hardness with a brinell tester.  This hardness 
is a measure of the structural tensile strength of the part, as a result 
of the heat treatment.  Those that were found to be at the high end of 
expected tolerances were set aside, marked with orange paint, and 
destined for the Hi Po assembly line.  This does NOT mean that cranks of 
equal, or near the high range were not put into the normal engine when 
the quantity needed for Hi Po's was achieved.  They just weren't marked 
orange, but some excess selection could have been re-allocated to 
standard production.  It was just a "selected" stock crank at the high 
end of production variation.

I am unsure whether ALL crankshafts were routinely quality control 
tested for heat treat hardness. It would have been had it been for 
military use.  A small flat ground spot on a counterweight would have a 
few small dimples on it from the tests. Much like a fine point, spring 
loaded center punch. Of course it was a much more sophisticated piece of 
equipment, but the depth of penetration with a preset impact is what the 
criteria is for hardness, which equates to the crank tensile strength 
from heat treat.

Steve


Bob Palmer wrote:

>Paul,
>
>The simple answer is, there is no difference; at least the blocks all
>started out the same. The story is that the HiPo blocks were hand picked for
>cylinder wall thickness, etc. The difference is in the machining of the
>blocks; bigger main caps, screw-in oil galley plugs, etc. Here's a link to
>rundown of the HiPo block's unique features.
>
>http://members.tripod.com/lyc_42/fordv8/hipo/hipo.htm
>
>Bob Palmer
>rpalmer@ucsd.edu
>rpalmer@brobeck.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-tigers@autox.team.net [mailto:owner-tigers@autox.team.net]On
>Behalf Of ZUKPJ86@aol.com
>Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:41 AM
>To: tigers@autox.team.net
>Subject: Surfire way to tell a 289 HP block
>
>Hi all,
>Can anybody recommend a surfire way to tell a bare 289 HP block
>from a standard 289?. What are the differences?
>It seems Tom Monroe's "How to rebuild a small block Ford" lists the same
>casting numbers for both.
>
>Thanks.....Paul (now at the restoration point of no return)
>
>  
>

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Steve Laifman
Editor
http://www.TigersUnited.com

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