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Re: New Engine and other updates

To: Chris Williams <info@bcmustang.com>
Subject: Re: New Engine and other updates
From: Larry Paulick <larry.p@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:11:25 -0500
Chris, I understand Norm does nice work and I assume Norm did all the
work on your Tiger for you.  Do you have one of those old CHIP Mustangs.
 Does it scare anyone on the highway like it use to when you pass them.

Larry

Chris Williams wrote:
> 
> My tiger is all stock, thanks norm . The t-5 is in my 91 police interceptor.
> 
> chris m williams
> .
> 
> Larry Paulick wrote:
> 
> > Well Chris, you certainly got me straight.  Thanks so much for doing so.
> >
> > What I really liked was the web site by Bob Palmer, which outlined the
> > whole array of T-5's.
> >
> > I would like to hear about your car and what you have done to it.  Since
> > you are so knowledgeable about T-5's, I assume you have one in your
> > Tiger.  I would like so swap experiences about how you put it in, solved
> > some problems, etc.
> >
> > Look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > BTW, where can I get the Mustang Monthly article.  Can you post it for
> > all of us to enjoy, and add to our expanded experience, and knowledge.
> >
> > Chris Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry but world class trans started in 1985 and they were 265 torque. 
>Reference
> > > mustang monthly article march 1998, written for them by d&d performance. 
>That will get
> > > you straight.
> > >
> > > chris m williams
> > >
> > > Larry Paulick wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chris, the World Class came after 1989 and had the 300 ft/lb capacity.
> > > > That's why they called it World Class. Before they had something like
> > > > 275.
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > >
> > > > Chris Williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends on year of t-5 what torque rating it has.
> > > > >
> > > > > chris m williams
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry Paulick wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tim this sounds like a well though out set up, and regardless of 
>the hp,
> > > > > > whose going to catch you anyway.  There was a guy on the net that 
>was
> > > > > > selling a AMC tail shaft, but remember, even the World Class T-5's 
>are
> > > > > > only rated at 300 ft/lbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I understand it, the problem with breaking a trans with torque, 
>is a
> > > > > > heavy car, whose wheels lock up, and therefore the trans has to 
>take the
> > > > > > torque, and may give way.  On the Tiger, the weight is low, and in 
>any
> > > > > > gear with that hp and torque, trackson will be a problem with a 
>heavy
> > > > > > foot.  So a T-5 may be OK.  The 5th gear overdrive is really nice 
>when
> > > > > > cruising, especially with a low rear end ratio.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep us posted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Larry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Listers,
> > > > > > > In my ongoing project to build my under 6000 RPM 425 HP small 
>block motor. (
> > > > > > > I am going to carefully preserve and store the original drive 
>train)
> > > > > > > I have been putting a lot on hold due to an impending move to CA 
>and I
> > > > > > > finally am progressing on both fronts...the move and more 
>importantly the
> > > > > > > engine.
> > > > > > > For those interested I finally have on its way the Lunati "350 
>C.I." stroker
> > > > > > > kit for the for the 5.0 motor for my Tiger, the hold up was the 
>twisted
> > > > > > > wedge forged pistons (3.425 stroke and 5.4" rod with 4.030 
>overbore).
> > > > > > > Further update on the actual quality when I have it in my hands.
> > > > > > > For those thinking of ordering plan on a 2 month delay as Lunati 
>has just
> > > > > > > been bought by Holley and have some bugs to work out of the 
>ordering
> > > > > > > process.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As an aside I found an interesting article in a magazine 
>outlining  "ALL??"
> > > > > > > of the stroker combinations from 302 - 357 and what the parts are 
>(OEM
> > > > > > > source and application 351, 4 cylinder turbo, etc.) and how to 
>arrange them
> > > > > > > to achieve the desired cubic inch displacements.
> > > > > > > PS: I keyed it all into a spreadsheet that calculates the 
>compression ratio
> > > > > > > with different heads for each combination if anyone wants it 
>emailed to them
> > > > > > > (I think I will try to sell it on ebay later ;>)). Any of you 
>engineering
> > > > > > > guys just don't bash my low Tech computation methods. Send me a 
>message
> > > > > > > offline if you want it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am still waiting for my twisted wedge heads as I sent them in 
>for
> > > > > > > "warranty repairs" even though I never ran them. All twisted 
>wedge owners
> > > > > > > note that the original units came with the pedestal mount rockers 
>and
> > > > > > > apparently the original configuration leads to severe guide and 
>valve tip
> > > > > > > wear when valve lift exceeds .500 inches. The "fix" is to send 
>them to Trick
> > > > > > > Flow and spend $100 US for them to machine the heads to accept 
>screw in
> > > > > > > studs. (Steve L. I had  them Heli-coiled ... Thanks for the 
>input)  They
> > > > > > > also include new Bronze guides and redo the valve job as well as 
>supply new
> > > > > > > valve seals. Good value for $100 bucks I think. They have now 
>been shipped
> > > > > > > and I will see them this week.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So as it stands today here are the specs on my 350 motor 
>combination (Being
> > > > > > > an Old Chevy guy I just love the displacement number!!!):
> > > > > > > 1990 5.0 HO motor
> > > > > > > 750 Holley DP ( I may buy or machine the venturis to eliminate 
>the choke
> > > > > > > housing to improve airflow past the stock air cleaner)
> > > > > > > Edelbrock Performer RPM ported to match the Twisted Wedge heads. 
>(had to
> > > > > > > open up each port about 3/16th of an inch on 2 sides on each port 
>and then
> > > > > > > blended it back as far as I could about 3 inches.
> > > > > > > Trick Flow dual pattern hydraulic Roller stage 2 Cam roughly .543 
>lift
> > > > > > > intake and .548 exhaust.
> > > > > > > Trick Flow Twisted wedge heads slightly ported and matched 
>exactly to the
> > > > > > > intake manifold ports. 7/16" screw in studs with comp cam roller 
>rockers.
> > > > > > > Flat top pistons specially cut for the TW Heads with "0" deck 
>height (Or
> > > > > > > darn near close to it) I would have preferred .010"
> > > > > > > Lunati crank with Lunati Racer 5.4" forged rods.
> > > > > > > Would like a Canton Road Race pan like Theo's but may have to 
>wait a little
> > > > > > > until the finances recover a little (anyone got a used one????).
> > > > > > > I will have the entire assemble balanced even though the Lunati 
>kit is
> > > > > > > supposed to be already balanced. I just don't know how they can 
>without a
> > > > > > > flywheel.
> > > > > > > I plan to use the Centerforce Gold clutch arrangement with a wide 
>ratio
> > > > > > > toploader (unless a GOOD deal on the T-5 comes up with the AMC 
>tailshaft,
> > > > > > > Tail housing and shift rail)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dyno Test:
> > > > > > > I found an article on the www.summitracing.com 
><http://www.summitracing.com>
> > > > > > > web site in the Stroker Madness area that does a dyno test on 
>their 347"
> > > > > > > motor with all the same bits cam, Heads and all. The only 
>exception is it
> > > > > > > was tested with a Mustang EFI unit and they obtained 403 HP  at 
>5700 RPM
> > > > > > > with 395 lb. ft. at 4500 RPM. "Corrected" for the larger 350" 
>engine that is
> > > > > > > 406 HP and 395.5 lb. ft. The Tech guys at Trick Flow indicated 
>that in their
> > > > > > > "in house" tests the "carb engines" consistently seem make about 
>4-5% more
> > > > > > > power (but are not as fuel efficient), bringing me darn close to 
>my goal at
> > > > > > > an approximated 406 X 1.05 = 426.3 HP. (422.24 HP on the low 
>side).  This
> > > > > > > weird result is probably due to the limitations of the tested EFI 
>manifold
> > > > > > > designs as I believe that Fuel Injection is really the way to go.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can't wait to go for a DRIVE!!!!!
> > > > > > > Best regards to All,
> > > > > > > Tim Ronak
> > > > > > > B382000680

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