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Re: Fraud?

To: HW200@aol.com, mmeswarb@huntel.net, tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: Fraud?
From: Bob Palmer <rpalmer@ames.ucsd.edu>
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:17:15 -0700
Henry, et Listers,

In the interests of accuracy, I would like to make a correction to my
previous posting. It appears I was mistaken about Norm having included the
Pebble Beach car in the conversions he has publicized on his Web site; at
least I couldn't find it. It is,however, listed in the Registry in the Book
of Norman and marked with the dreaded "c" for conversion. I assumed when I
read your posting, Henry, that this is what you thought was the sole basis
for the allegation of fraud and that we are relying completely and
exclusively on Norm's say-so in this case. The essential point here is that
I have been told that the car has been inspected by certified "experts"
(not Norm) and the physical evidence clearly shows that Norm is correct.
So, Henry, I believe your "innocent until proven guilty" philosophy is a
bit misplaced in this instance. In fact, it doesn't appear that anyone,
even the owner(s), have ever contested the fact that the car is a
conversion. I'm sure there is much more to this story than the little bit
we've heard here and maybe more of it will be posted here in the future. I
suppose we would all like to know things like who was originally
responsible for the swap. One of the pros, or a do-it-yourselfer??  It is
obviously a very nice car to sell for that price; on the other hand, it is
from what I understand, not very well disguised. But I have a feeling the
various people who know this information are going to be reluctant to stick
their necks out.

Bob

At 06:27 PM 8/22/98 -0700, Bob Palmer wrote:
>Henry,
>
>Is this the best you can do?? Don't shoot the messenger here. Norm just
>posted this on his Web page a few months ago and now passed on to the list
>the latest chapter for this car. I understand the car has been inspected on
>several occassions by the "experts" and there is no doubt about its
>lineage. The recent owner/seller is well aware of this, although perhaps
>not when he purchased it. If your rather oblique point is that people, even
>Norm, occassionally make mistakes, then I would have to agree that this is,
>in general, a possibility. And mistake, or no mistake, accusations of fraud
>might lead to legal suits and all that kind of nastiness. But Norm's a big
>boy, so we'll let him decide for himself how much risk he wants to take. As
>I mentioned recently, TAC is very careful to stop well short of identifying
>"conversions" and certainly not anywhere near to publishing a list of
>suspects. Obviously, Norm feels a little stronger about exposing frauds,
>but I'll bet he is damned sure before he publicizes it.
>
>Anyway, you can be sure in the case in question that the victim is NOT the
>guy with the $30k in his pocket.
>
>Groovin' in San Diego,
>
>Bob
>
>At 02:53 AM 8/22/98 -0400, HW200@aol.com wrote:
>>What if Norm's book listing is inaccurate, then the victim becomes the guy
>who
>>has just been accussed of fraud for selling a legitimate Tiger- not to be
too
>>pholosophical.
>>
>>Henry
>> 
> 

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