Actually, the boat racers didn't tear them down every week. That was
one of the reasons that they liked them. The only real safty feature
that they had in the boats was a rev limitter for use when the boat
"steps" out of the water for a moment. You are correct though that
they're choice of cam is designed excusively for the stresses of turning
a prop. The cam that I have is from Iskaderian, and was their top
performer for street / strip. It "may be a bit bumpy. That will really
depend on the compression ration I will end up with.
Top Fuel and funny cars, actually don't turn as High RPM as you might
think. A friend of mine who was the driver for a Nitro funny car, said
that they didn't turn past 8,000 RPM, and tipically tried to keep it
around 7,500 to 7,700 RPM. That's where their MAXIMUM HP was developed.
The idea was to keep it right there for the full length of the track.
It was done with final drive gearing and clutch packs.
As for the Hot Rod Parts for the 215. There are a bunch of kits in
england to add strength to the block. Stud & plate kits for the Mains,
stud kits for the heads. The stock cranks are quite strong, but there
are newer technology steel cranks available. The hipo chev rods are the
choice of the racers. As for a roller cam, I don't know. There wasn't
one when I was looking. I went with a Hydraulic cam, and racing anti
pump up lifters and very light chromoly pushrods and a new set of stock
1.6:1 rockers.
Right now , I'm just trying to find a nice Alpine to drive. When that
engine pukes, the 215 will be ready by then......I hope..
Rich
Maybe we should take this 215 stuff private before someone boots me off
the list !!
8-)
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>From: LeBrun@hii.hitachi.com[SMTP:LeBrun@hii.hitachi.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 1996 5:51 PM
>To: Richard Atherton (Entex); bradshaw@utdallas.edu;
>tigers@autox.team.net; marrone@wco.com
>Subject: Re[4]: New Thread (was REALLY, REALLY SMALL...)
>
> Rich;
>
> -Just remember the "racer's" you see doin' the 9.5K + RPM's either
>
> have or their sponsor's have deep pockets.They may turn 'em 9K all
> season...betcha' they tear 'em down every week and put in new
> bearings, etc.? Are you willing to do the same on a high winding
> TIGER/ALPINE?
>
> Top-fuelers & Funny-cars hit extreme RPM's...they also come to
>each
> race with a few extra blocks & complete sets of engine parts.
>
> At the RPM's you're talking about you should go to a roller cam
>with
> higher spring pressures to avoid valve float, add screw-in studs,
>etc.
> Who makes what kind of "top-end" stuff for the 215?
>
> Boat racing also uses completely different power and torque
> requirements than what may be desireable on the street. I've seen
>MANY
> attempts at wholesale tranplants of racing motors into street cars
>
> that couldn't get you from one stoplight to the next without
>fouling
> the plugs to an un-runnable condition. Never mind calling all the
>cops
> in a 5-mile radius to your location.
>
> Don't mean to "rain on your parade"...I'd hate to see another
>TIGER/
> ALPINE fan such as yourself sink a lot of money and effort into a
> "project" that had an undesireable ending.
>
> Hey..go for it, stuff something radical into an ALPINE and make
>all
> the naysayers like me eat crow when your'e all finished & blown us
>
> into the weeds! Just do enough homework so you have a real comfort
>
> level before you start.
>
> One of the individuals affiliated with the SOG in the San Diego
>area
> has been putting V-6 Capri engines into ALPINES with a real good
> success rate. Get in touch with them...they may know somebody
>who's
> done different transplants like the 215 into an ALPINE.
>
>
> Phil
>
>
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>Subject: RE: Re[2]: New Thread (was REALLY, REALLY SMALL...)
>Author: "Richard Atherton (Entex)" <a-richat@microsoft.com> at
>~INTERNET
>Date: 6/26/96 4:23 PM
>
>
> Well, in my exploits of trying to do this very thing, I determined
>that
>the Alpine would have to be fitted with a custom made radiator possible
>
>mounted on the front side of the Bulkhead. The buick waterpump shaft
>does stick out a ways. Since cumstom radiators are no stranger to
>Tigers wanting better cooling, the expense is is feasable. And since
>the Stock Alpine steering is much better than the Tigers, I think this
>is a reasonable trade off. The Aluminum V-8 powered Alpine would still
>
>handle better then the Tiger. In my Opinion. The Tiger would quicker
>
>out of the hole (assuming the same gearing) due to its extra torque,
>but
>the Alpine would pass it by in top speed due to the Higher Revs of the
>215 at 9,500 max RPM (Built for racing using the boat racers specs.
>They turn them 9,000 all season long and 9,500 during the finals at
>each
>event.!!!). The Alpine would also be a lot easier on tires (normal
>driving) becuase the stock steering does not scrub the tires like the
>Tiger does.
>
>Rich
>
>
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>>From: marrone@wco.com[SMTP:marrone@wco.com]
>>Sent: Monday, June 24, 1996 11:57 PM
>>To: Keith Bradshaw; tigers@autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Thread (was REALLY, REALLY SMALL...)
>>
>>
>>
>>> As for weight...I could lift the Alpine engine (w/o head) out of the
>>>Alpine,
>>> and set it on a fender before I climbed out....the V-8's even without
>>>heads
>>> were very heavy with a thick crank and eight pistons.
>>>
>>> I don't think the Buick V8 was lighter than just about any 4 cylinder
>>>around,
>>> except for Pontiac Tempest's 194 c.i. slant four ,which was half of the
>>389 V8.
>>
>>My info says Tempest slant 4 is 470lbs (yikes!).
>>
>>>
>>> My guess was the Alpine engine full up was 180 lbs and the V8's full
>>>up were
>>> 300 lbs.
>>
>>The word on the street is that the MGBV8 swap results in a lighter car.
>>Figures I have show the Buick 215 at 320lbs and the Leyland 1800 at
>>335.
>>The 1800 has a cast head so I wouldn't be surprised if the Alpine mill
>>is a
>>bit lighter than the Leyland but its not 155lbs lighter. The engine
>>weight
>>list I have is mostly 'mericun 'arn and some race car motors but there
>>are a
>>few exotics and imports. The 215 is lighter than some fours on the
>>list and
>>heavier than others but it isn't one sided.
>>
>>I'd agree that the 289/302 (at 460lbs) is a nice light, compact
>>package. In
>>a practical sense the Ford has far greater HP potential because of the
>>availability and lower cost of performance goodies (at least here in
>>the
>>States).
>>
>>Could you retain the Alpine steering, as someone suggested, because the
>>lighter aluminum engine is not such a liability far forward in the bay?
>>Those Buick and Rover V8s are pretty long but so are the Fords and
>>Miles got
>>a Ford to fit by using electric fans in front of the radiator. I think
>>the
>>only thing for it would be for someone out there to try it and let us
>>all
>>know how it goes!
>>
>>Frank Marrone MK I Tiger B9471116
>>marrone@wco.com 1966 LTD
>> Series I Alpine (2.3L powered by Ford)
>> Yamaha Seca 900
>>
>>
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