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Re: rubbish was Re: torque

To: sfooshee@home.com
Subject: Re: rubbish was Re: torque
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:14:39 EST
Cc: spridgets@autox.team.net
Well what can I say, an (|) I am not!

I don't think incredible rubbish is a strong statement compared to the use of 
expletives and such.  Sometimes I don't like typing long replies either.  
What I do get tired of is some of rot that gets produced as FACT when it is 
far from it.  

BUT 

Shorter is not the same as smaller in my understanding but if you meant 
shorter then I apolgise for my lack of American/English understanding.  I do 
think that generally on a Sprite the use and shape of any particular ram on 
any given carb on a Spridget will make more difference than the length alone.

I stand on my comments about a restrictive exhaust - I cannot understand why 
this would work so can't respond to something that plain doesn't make sense 
to me.  I think one of the biggest myths of all time is that an engine needs 
back pressure.  A 2 stroke engine doesn't need back pressure either and 
having experimented with removing the exhaust baffles from the exhaust system 
of my Yamaha RD 250 LC my limited practical experience support my view.  What 
a two stroke does need is exhaust pulse tuning, shock waves and all that 
stuff to produce extraction of gases etc.  Also a big performance gain on two 
stroke motors is the use of expansion chamber type exhaust systems.  
Generally the thing with exhaust systems is tuned length and diameter and not 
restriction.

I don't agree that modifications that produce low rpm torque sacrice power at 
the top end and my own and others experience using carburettor ram pipes to 
mention a single modification bears this out.  

Obviously there are tuning modifications that reduce low rpm torque at the 
expense of top end power (bhp) but the reverse is not true.



In a message dated 16/11/00 05:16:30 GMT Standard Time, sfooshee@home.com 
writes:

<< Daniel1312@aol.com wrote:
 > 
 > I have heard of some rubbish in my time but this is incredible - absolute
 > rubbish.
 > 
 > In a message dated 15/11/00 04:20:16 GMT Standard Time, sfooshee@home.com
 > writes:
 > 
 > << The generalization
 >  is that you want a more restrictive exhaust and a smaller carb/intake for
 > higher
 >  velocity at low engine speeds.  >>
 
    Okay, so besides your subtle disagreement, what's the answer? I qualified 
it as
 a wide sweeping and incomplete generalization because I didn't feel like 
typing
 that much. 
    In my experience, engines with smaller and/or longer intake tracts have 
made
 better low end torque versus high speed power. Mazda's Le Mans winning 
prototype
 used a variable intake (copied, I believe, by Ferrari's F1 program) in which 
the
 intake would shorten as engine rpm increased. This allowed the longer (and 
more
 restrictive) runners to increase the velocity of the intake charge at lower
 engine speeds while still allowing the short runners required for higher rpm
 power. Mazda has also used this with the '89-'91 normally aspirated car's
 variable dynamic intake effect system, and Porsche's variable intake is very
 similar. If the intake charge is stagnant (too big an intake for a given 
engine
 speed) then the fuel doesn't mix well and doesn't burn well. 
    I don't pretend to understand all the physics of engine design, but my 
short
 experience has shown me many people make their cars slower by simply opening 
up
 the exhaust. I know that 2-stroke engines are desperately dependent on
 backpressure for torque, and rotaries are very similar to this. My old SAAB 
was
 in dire straits when the manifold flange rusted off, it wouldn't discuss 
power
 until 3500 rpm or so.
    Assuming that the questioner is limited to modifications below 
fabricating some
 means of variable cam timing, most any change which will increase low end 
torque
 will sacrifice top end power. 
    Even if I'm wrong, why call it _incredible_ rubbish with no evidence or 
opinion
 of your own? If I'm wrong, correct me, but don't be an ass.
 
 
 -- 
 ~
 -Xavier Onasis.
 '87 RX-7 TII: Live fast.
 '90 GS-500E: Die young.
 MCMLXIX Sprite: And leave an exquisite corpse.
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