>"You know, people who commit such acts do them because they feel
>horribly disenfranchised and completely between a rock and a hard
>place. Find the exact people responsible for this act on the WTC,
>and work to make the situations better for the rest-so that they
>won't feel the need to commit such acts in the future. "
>
>Laura Gharazeddine
>Everyone has a beef with someone, that does not justify anything, nor
does
>it lead me to beleive that I should resolve the problem that causes
them to
>be disenfranchised. These people will hate and kill someone, even
they are
>not killing themselves they will find someone. If it wasn't us, they
would
>have someone else on their list. Today, it just happens to be
America.
>
>Patrick Bowen
I have to totally agree with Patrick!!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bowen, Patrick <pbowen@intellinetics.com>
To: 'Jason' <jjcon2@yahoo.com>; Laura.G@141.com <Laura.G@141.com>
Cc: Spitfires@autox.team.net <Spitfires@autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Self evaluation
>Jason, you have got to be kidding me. what you speak of is
isolationism, if
>you think that works go read a history book. If you think American
foriegn
>policy sucks, read my previous posting. And if you think giving in
to a
>pansied-assed suggestion that if we were kinder to everyone this
wouldn't
>happen, you have lost connection with reality. We are not our own
enemy.
>Realize that over 30,000 probably people died on Tuesday. That
exceeds our
>previous most bloody day of 22,000 at Anteitam in 1863. And is
almost half
>the number of Americans killed in the whole Vietnam war.
>
>Everyone has a beef with someone, that does not justify anything, nor
does
>it lead me to beleive that I should resolve the problem that causes
them to
>be disenfranchised. These people will hate and kill someone, even
they are
>not killing themselves they will find someone. If it wasn't us, they
would
>have someone else on their list. Today, it just happens to be
America.
>
>Patrick Bowen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jason [mailto:jjcon2@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:09 AM
>To: Laura.G@141.com
>Cc: Spitfires@autox.team.net
>Subject: Self evaluation
>
>
>"You know, people who commit such acts do them because they feel
>horribly disenfranchised and completely between a rock and a hard
>place. Find the exact people responsible for this act on the WTC,
>and work to make the situations better for the rest-so that they
>won't feel the need to commit such acts in the future. "
>
>Laura Gharazeddine
>
>DING DING DING! Laura is onto something here. What situations could
those
>people be in that they hate the U.S. so much?
>
>Our Democratic Republic (not a democracy) has for the last 40 or 50
years
>advanced certain foreign policies that at times have been
manipulative,
>selfish and extortionist in nature. The Government that represents us
to the
>world has supported Dictators in South and Central America and aided
>unscrupulous governments (like Iran vs. Iraq) wage war to protect our
>"National Interests" a.k.a. favorable conditions for our large
corporations.
>Then we abandon them when they no longer serve our needs or fail to
obey us
>(Manuel Noriega). In 1973 we and the Australians basically gave
Indonesia
>permission to invade East Timor and wipe out 1/3 of the population.
Home of
>the free? We ran to Kuwait's aid to protect our "National Interests"
(big
>oil) in '91, yet dragged our feet for years before we helped the
Croats and
>Bosnians. Tibet? Forget it. Americans don't drink Yak milk.
>
>The US Govt is big. So big sometimes parts of it dont know what
other
>parts are doing. Some of what are Government has done has been good.
Lots of
>it, while well intentioned has had less than perfect results. At
times we
>are meddling hypocrites and some of our Governments activities are
just
>plain criminal (death squads and Sandanistas).
>
>Our Government has abused and pissed off a lot of people in the
world. What
>we got yesterday was a big slap in the face (but not justifiable) for
some
>past bad behavior.
>
>
>
>Unfortunately, many innocent people were murdered. Hopefully their
deaths
>will not be wasted. If all we get out of the media and our leaders in
the
>next few weeks is a bunch of flag waving rhetoric about how great
America is
>and that we need to kick some ass to show how strong we are, then
their
>lives will be wasted. If there is a serious review of our recent
world
>behavior and we start to PRACTICE the ideals set down in our
Constitution
>for Individual Liberty and personal responsibility ALL the time when
we deal
>with other Nations, then maybe the US wouldnt be so resented in some
parts
>of the world.
>
>Id guess the Taliban or other Muslim group attacked us for our Gulf
War/
>big oil dealings and our support of Israel. Why do we support Israel
and not
>help Tibet? Both religions are under attack.
>
>We need to go back to George Washingtons position; Friendly to all,
>entangled with none. We need to get out of the UN, NATO, SETO and the
rest
>of the alphabet soup we are cursed with. Let Europeans deal with
their
>problems, and the same for the middle east, Asia, Africa. Lets mind
our own
>business. The Libertarian Party (www.LP.org) has always proposed this
type
>of foreign policy. Individuals would be free to support or oppose any
cause
>they want outside our borders, but our Government remains neutral.
>
>Our Government should not be protecting large US based Corporations
from the
>consequences of their actions in "host" countries either.
>
>What happened yesterday was tragic, but not unexpected if you follow
the
>news. How many of you monitor our governments behavior and hold our
leaders
>accountable? How many of you have written to your elected officials
on ANY
>issue? How many of you vote?
>
>We the Citizens of the US need to PARTICIPATE and monitor our
Government's
>activites more closely. We need to ensure they act on principle and
not out
>of selfishness. When they make an error we need to point it out to
them even
>if it means going to the effort of protesting WTO/ Seattle style.
Hopefully
>our future global conduct will be beyond reproach and no one will
feel
>justified in striking at us.
>
>Jason Constantino
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