Again
This crap does not belong on the list. We all differ in opinion on this. I
personally feel Joe is correct. Laura has lashed out at me before and my
feelings were affected. I have never mentioned this until now because it
does not belong on the list. Take it up in person with Joe. I never
mentioned to Laura before because I had a good idea what her reaction would
be. Also I for one don’t want to see it on the list. If I have an issue
with someone I go to them personally and don’t tell the whole world.
Unless I am missing something this list is dedicated to our cars. Politics,
personal matters should be left to another forum. I find this so childless
and aggravating. I do agree with Joe if some is go to give misinformation
or questionable information they should be able to back it up. They should
also be expected to be called on it, especially with excessive puffing. I
can cite specific examples if you want them, but off the list. I keep most
of the controversial emails in a file.
ANY ONE THAT WANTS TO EMAIL ME OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT DOESN’T BELOW HERE IN
THIS FORUM.
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>From: Richard B Gosling <Gosling_Richard_B@perkins.com>
>Reply-To: Richard B Gosling <Gosling_Richard_B@perkins.com>
>To: "Laura.G" <Laura.G@141.com>, spitfires <spitfires@autox.team.net>,
>spitlist <spitlist@gte.net>
>Subject: Re: On MailList politics and knowing who's ones friends are...
>Date: 23 Aug 2000 06:06:58 -0500
>
>Joe, Laura, and all others out there,
>
>Having delved a little further through my bulging in-box, it would appear
>(from
> a letter sent by Joe to Paul forwarded to the list by Brad) that it was
>you,
> Joe, who has upset Laura so badly.
>
>Joe, you seem to think that Laura over-reacted to the comments you made,
>and
> that her reaction was unjustified and over the top. Possibly so, from
>your
> point of view. However, some people are more sensitive than others. If
>you
> do not know someone well, you should assume they are sensitive, and avoid
> making un-necessarily provocative comments, until you know them better
>and
> know that they can take it - that is common good manners. Maybe you feel
>that
> you know Laura well enough through the list that you can make these
>comments -
> if so, you have mis-judged her, as we all have seen (before this
>occasion)
> that her feelings can be hurt.
>
>It was not so long ago that you managed to get quite upset when Graham
>Robson
> questioned your summary of Spitfire chassis numbers in the pages of the
>Club
> Triumph magazine - you are not so thick-skinned yourself. I detect a
>level of
> male chauvinism in your assumption that, because Laura owns, drives, and
> enjoys her Spitfire, that that should make her 'one of the guys', and
> therefore able to take the level of verbal brawling that a bunch of guys
> sometimes indulge in away from female company. Why should a sensitive
>woman
> not be allowed to enjoy a Spitfire, and share her enthusiasm with us,
>without
> having to suppress her femininity and her own character - or indeed a
> sensitive man, not all of us have elephant hide for skins?
>
>As an aside, I never, detected any excessive bravado or bragging from
>Laura,
> beyond obvious enthusiasm for her car. As she may not be one of the most
> technical amongst us, I would not expect her to have to prove herself, or
> Nigel, with more technical details of him than she already has. If you
>have
> been suggesting that she must race her car, which she does not want to
>do, in
> order to prove herself or her car, then I am afraid that is something you
> should have grown out when you were 20. However, even if there had been
>any
> unnecessary bragging, I would have hoped that you would have had the
> sensitivity to avoid upsetting someone who most of us call a friend. If
>you
> do not count the other list members (at least those who contribute
>regularly)
> as your friends then that is sad.
>
>I offered to support Laura in any attempt to expel those she felt had made
>her
> unwelcome in this community. That offer still stands. However, I would
>be
> very sad to see Joe go: as one of the most knowledgeable and dedicated
> amongst us, keeper of the register, and a regular contributor, he is a
> valuable person to have around. Much better to apologise - even if it is
>just
> for your insensitivity, and not your views - and we can all get back to
>being
> friends. Even if you feel in yourself you have done nothing wrong,
>apologise
> anyway - is it really worth that little bit of hurt pride to lose Laura
>from
> this list forever? Even if they were not intended them that way, your
> comments clearly were hurtful - Laura would still be around if they were
>not.
>
>Some may feel that I am getting involved in something that is not my
>business,
> that is between Laura and Joe. That is mostly true, but I am affected,
>since
> if Laura is driven from this list, then I lose a friend - that is when it
> becomes my business too.
>
>I apologise to those who may feel that I am dragging up a subject that you
> hoped was dead and buried a week ago, but I have been away on holiday,
>and I
> was not going to return and see what had been going on while I was away,
> without making some effort to get Laura back with us once again.
>
>Richard and Daffy
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