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I can name at least one place off the top-of-my-head that can calibrate 
torque wrenches, but not one that I know of that can calibrate pressure 
gauges (I do think some laboratories can do it).

I have several analog gauges that don't agree (one is adjustable). I 
have 3 Accutire digital gauges that all agree with each other and my 
Mustang's TPMS; at least I have repeatability. I set tire pressure 
according to how the tires wear.


On 4/26/2024 10:26 AM, alfuller194@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Sorry for the late reply â?? I have no idea where several weeksâ?? worth 
> of messages have been hanging out!
>
> It might be worth checking with someone who already has their gauges 
> calibrated and comparing readings. I would hope the new car dealers 
> service department would actually calibrate gauges used on customer 
> cars, but would ask to be sure. It also occurs to me that last time I 
> moved the movers damaged my air compressor, and the insurance company 
> has a local company that repairs them. I wonder if they have 
> calibrated gauges, and if one could compare readings with theirsâ?¦
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> All the best,
>
> Al Fuller
>
> *From:*Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of 
> *Jeff Scarbrough
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 7, 2024 1:13 PM
> *To:* Benjamin Zwissler <bjzwissler@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Gauges
>
> I know that one foot of water column equals 0.433 psi.  So about 70 
> feet of 2" pipe attached to the side of a tall building with a thin 
> diaphragm over a chamber with a Schrader valve should get you close.  
> Might need to make a manometer out of it, so you'll need more pipe.
>
> It's low cost, but not very practical.  I did have a set of weights 
> and an oil reservoir for calibrating liquid pressure, but liquids are 
> not (for our purposes) compressible and air is.  So I don't know how 
> accurate that might be.
>
> If you had some mercury, a 5 foot column should do the trick.  Don't 
> tell the EPD, though.
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 15:37 Benjamin Zwissler <bjzwissler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     I calibrate my Milton (which has consistently read high) to my
>     wife's tpms value.  Partly because I assume the car is right and
>     partly because I don't like it when she's telling me a week later
>     that she's getting low pressure lights again.
>
>     I don't know how to create an inexpensive standard for
>     calibration.   The Milton is the most expensive gauge I have and
>     has been the least accurate. I looked it up on line and found lots
>     of similar complaints about its inaccuracy.
>
>     Any ideas on creating a low cost pressure standard for calibration?
>
>     Ben
>
>     On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 1:49â?¯PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>
>         So, I have three tire gauges:  Accutire electronic, Jayco
>         mechanical, and Milton Inflator hose with gauge.  All three
>         report consistently, and all three are 3-4 psi different - low
>         to high in the above order.
>
>         Is there a simple way to check accuracy?
>
>             Jeff
>
>
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    I can name at least one place off the top-of-my-head that can
    calibrate torque wrenches, but not one that I know of that can
    calibrate pressure gauges (I do think some laboratories can do it).<br>
    <br>
    I have several analog gauges that don't agree (one is adjustable). I
    have 3 Accutire digital gauges that all agree with each other and my
    Mustang's TPMS; at least I have repeatability. I set tire pressure
    according to how the tires wear.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/2024 10:26 AM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:alfuller194@gmail.com";>alfuller194@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sorry for
            the late reply â?? I have no idea where several weeksâ?? worth
            of messages have been hanging out!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It might be
            worth checking with someone who already has their gauges
            calibrated and comparing readings. I would hope the new car
            dealers service department would actually calibrate gauges
            used on customer cars, but would ask to be sure. It also
            occurs to me that last time I moved the movers damaged my
            air compressor, and the insurance company has a local
            company that repairs them. I wonder if they have calibrated
            gauges, and if one could compare readings with 
theirsâ?¦<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">All
            the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Al
            Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">
              Shop-talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
 <b>On
                Behalf Of </b>Jeff Scarbrough<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 7, 2024 1:13 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Benjamin Zwissler <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:bjzwissler@gmail.com";>&lt;bjzwissler@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net";>Shop-talk@autox.team.net</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Tire Gauges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I know that one foot of water column
            equals 0.433 psi.  So about 70 feet of 2" pipe attached to
            the side of a tall building with a thin diaphragm over a
            chamber with a Schrader valve should get you close.  Might
            need to make a manometer out of it, so you'll need more
            pipe.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">It's low cost, but not very practical. 
               I did have a set of weights and an oil reservoir for
              calibrating liquid pressure, but liquids are not (for our
              purposes) compressible and air is.  So I don't know how
              accurate that might be.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">If you had some mercury, a 5 foot
              column should do the trick.  Don't tell the EPD, 
though.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 15:37 Benjamin
                Zwissler &lt;<a href="mailto:bjzwissler@gmail.com";
                  moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bjzwissler@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I calibrate my Milton (which has
                    consistently read high) to my wife's tpms value. 
                     Partly because I assume the car is right and partly
                    because I don't like it when she's telling me a week
                    later that she's getting low pressure lights 
again. <o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">I don't know how to create an
                      inexpensive standard for calibration.   The Milton
                      is the most expensive gauge I have and has been
                      the least accurate. I looked it up on line and
                      found lots of similar complaints about its
                      inaccuracy. <o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Any ideas on creating a low
                      cost pressure standard for calibration?<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Ben <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Apr 7, 2024, 1:49<span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">â?¯</span>PM Jeff
                        Scarbrough &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fishplate@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">So, I have three tire
                          gauges:  Accutire electronic, Jayco
                          mechanical, and Milton Inflator hose with
                          gauge.  All three report consistently, and all
                          three are 3-4 psi different - low to high in
                          the above order.<br>
                          <br>
                          Is there a simple way to check 
accuracy?  <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">    Jeff <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <br>
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