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Subject: [Shop-talk] Jump starting a late model car
From: JohnT Blair <jblair1948@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 17:12:51 -0500 (EST)
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I come to the well of knowledge looking for information.
 
My sister just emailed me about her having a friend jump start her late model 
Lexis from his F150 pickup.  He got her started and then drove his truck to 
someplace and parked it.  When he tried to start it, it wouldn't start.  He had 
it towed to a dealership and they said his battery was fried.
 
In my sister's email she said that she has found out that you shouldn't jump 
start a car made from 2000 on.
 
My question is why and how do you start a car with a dead battery?
 
I realize that the jumping car should be running, so that gives the possiblity 
of too much current being drawn from the jumping car as it's got a good battery 
and an alternator capable of putting out well over 100A!  So the jumped car's 
dead battery looks like a short circuit.  Bad - lots of current!
 
So disconnecting the dead battery and putting it on a battery charger to give 
it a more controlled charge should be OK.
But that's not easy to do in a parking lot.
 
What about these jump boxes, especially the little ones like

https://www.walmart.com/ip/NEXPOW-Battery-Jump-Starter-1500A-Peak-12800mAh-Car-Starter-up-7-0L-Gas-5-5L-Diesel-Engine-12V-Portable-Booster-Power-Bank-Box-LED-Light/534414164?adsRedirect=true

But that is supposedly capable of 1500A!!! 

I did a google search on the subject and found an article talking about all the 
problems that you can have doing this.  But the article really didn't say if 
these problems were to the jumping or the jumped car or both.

So what is the collective knowledge about this?  What am I missing?

JohnT,


John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net

Va. Beach, Va                    Phone:  (757) 495-8229
 
65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)   48 TR1800    48 #4 
Midget  
65 & 77 Spitfire   71 Saab Sonett III   65 Rambler Classic   65 Volvo P1800
 
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Bricklin:    http://www.bricklin.org/
 

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   I come to the well of knowledge looking for information.
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   My sister just emailed me about her having a friend jump start her late 
model Lexis from his F150 pickup.&nbsp; He got her started and then drove his 
truck to someplace and parked it.&nbsp; When he tried to start it, it wouldn't 
start.&nbsp; He had it towed to a dealership and they said his battery was 
fried.
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   In my sister's email she said that she has found out that you shouldn't jump 
start a car made from 2000 on.
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   &nbsp;
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   My question is why and how do you start a car with a dead battery?
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   I realize that the jumping car should be running, so that gives the 
possiblity of too much current being drawn from the jumping car as it's got a 
good battery and an alternator capable of putting out well over 100A!&nbsp; So 
the jumped car's dead battery looks like a short circuit.&nbsp; Bad - lots of 
current!
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   &nbsp;
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   So disconnecting the dead battery and putting it on a battery charger to 
give it a more controlled charge should be OK.
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   But that's not easy to do in a parking lot.
  </div>
  <div class="default-style">
   &nbsp;
  </div>
  <div class="default-style">
   What about these jump boxes, especially the little ones like
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   <p class="default-style"><a 
href="https://www.walmart.com/ip/NEXPOW-Battery-Jump-Starter-1500A-Peak-12800mAh-Car-Starter-up-7-0L-Gas-5-5L-Diesel-Engine-12V-Portable-Booster-Power-Bank-Box-LED-Light/534414164?adsRedirect=true";>https://www.walmart.com/ip/NEXPOW-Battery-Jump-Starter-1500A-Peak-12800mAh-Car-Starter-up-7-0L-Gas-5-5L-Diesel-Engine-12V-Portable-Booster-Power-Bank-Box-LED-Light/534414164?adsRedirect=true</a></p>
   <p class="default-style">But that is supposedly capable of 1500A!!!&nbsp;</p>
   <p class="default-style">I did a google search on the subject and found an 
article talking about all the problems that you can have doing this.&nbsp; But 
the article really didn't say if these problems were to the jumping or the 
jumped car or both.</p>
   <p class="default-style">So what is the collective knowledge about 
this?&nbsp; What am I missing?</p>
   <p class="default-style">JohnT,</p>
   <p class="default-style"><br><span style="font-family: tahoma, arial, 
helvetica, sans-serif;">John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
email:&nbsp; jblair1948@cox.net</span></p>
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    Va. Beach, 
Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229
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    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106) &nbsp; &nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 
(#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;
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    65 &amp; 77 Spitfire&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Rambler 
Classic&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Volvo P1800
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    Morgan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a 
href="http://autox.team.net/morgan/";>http://autox.team.net/morgan/</a>
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    Bricklin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a 
href="http://www.bricklin.org/";>http://www.bricklin.org</a>
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   <p>If you can read 
this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - 
Thank a teacher! <br><span style="font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, 
sans-serif;">If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!</span></p>
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    &nbsp;
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   <p><span style="font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">From 
Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:</span> <br><span style="font-family: 
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus 
Unum, "from many, one."</span> <br><span style="font-family: tahoma, arial, 
helvetica, sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We Trust</span> 
<br><span style="font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, 
sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp; 
choosing,&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; </span> 
<br><span style="font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, 
sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 oneself; freedom&nbsp; from&nbsp; control&nbsp; or&nbsp; restriction&nbsp; 
</span> <br><br><br></p>
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