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Pat, while the battery was out I checked resistance on all battery, st=
arter and=20
ground cables... all read from .003 to .004 ohm resistance end to end
also rechecked the charging voltage again with engine at 1200 rpm 14=
=2E6=20
volts... as I increased the rpm the voltage flickered down to 14.3 - 1=
4.4 to =20
then
back up to 14.6 as rpm decreased back to 1200
did this both with VOM leads on battery terminals AND alternator termi=
nals
j
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 8/9/2021 1:30:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck
John,
Check charging voltage @ alternator post, alternator terminal, termina=
l on=20
other end of 1/0 cable, post that terminal connects to. If you can get=
to the=20
conductor in the 1/0 cable, get that too. That should be enough to fin=
d the=20
problem.=20
Peace,
Pat
Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity
On Aug 9, 2021, at 1:02 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF=20
sorry for slow response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!=
!!
Monday a.m. report
fresh charge on battery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle char=
ger since=20
then .. battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different mete=
rs
hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.=
4
voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4
battery has 800 CCA capacity
started test... over 15 second test the battery slowly dropped to 320 =
amps and=20
voltage read 10.8 (still in the green scale)
stopped test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up t=
o 12.7
next step will be check alternator output at battery and terminal poin=
t
ok... started truck... engine at 1200 rpm
meter on alternator o/p- voltage is 14.6
meter on battery voltage is 13.5
hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....that don't sound right
need to measure resistance of cable I guess...
as an aside... checked voltaged between frame ground and the case of t=
he=20
alternator... 0.0001 volts
I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it... batt=
ery is=20
good based on her years of
battery experience
----- Original Message -----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM
Subject: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck
jeff=E2=80=A6. regular led acid battery ?? Everstart Maxx27 80=
0 CCA regular=20
Walmart battery
When it died, did any of the electrical items still work? Lights, etc=
=2E? when=20
it first occurred ,, when I tried to restart, .. starter just clicked =
and I=20
remember the a/c fan still blowing
Donald... How large is the cable from the alternator to the battery? =
feed=20
from battery to alternator is #4 wire
Dave... I was thinking a dirty battery clamp. battery clamps are ne=
w this=20
year and clean, no corrosion on connections
John... How is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame o=
r to the=20
motor? voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash frame voltmeter used =
to check=20
under hood is grounded to frame not engine. =20
I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator has a ground ter=
minal of it's=20
own...=20
it's #10 wire grounded to the frame and of course the alternator is gr=
ounded through it's=20
mount.
Pat... what is the relationship between the frame terminal & the rest=
of the=20
electrical system? Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a=20
4' piece of #4 wire from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from th=
e battery is connected to the solenoid.
Jimmie.. What's=20
the voltage at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine=
'off' =20
hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6 I'll do that
How big is the alternator? 100 amp single wire from CVF racing
ya'll have given me lots to check and recheck and some I haven't thoug=
ht of... =20
going back through my diagnostics and check connections too. I bough=
t a 500=20
amp load tester yesterday and will put sufficient load on the battery.=
Battery=20
is under the cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with the l=
ow truck,=20
I have to raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thought battery woul=
d be a=20
low maintenance item ...duh. so checking at a shop somewhere is a ve=
ry large=20
pain.
points I'm considering.... larger ground wires from frame to engine...=
=2E alternator to frame and check resistance from solenoid lug to the =
terminal on the frame... the saga continues
thanks for all the replies and points to check.. you guys are the be=
st
john
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<BODY spellcheck=3Dtrue class=3DOECFntDef>Pat, while the battery was o=
ut I checked resistance on all battery, starter and ground cables... a=
ll read from .003 to .004 ohm resistance end to end
<DIV> also rechecked the charging voltage again with engine at 12=
00 rpm 14.6 volts... as I increased the rpm the voltage flickere=
d down to 14.3 - 14.4 to then</DIV>
<DIV>back up to 14.6 as rpm decreased back to 1200</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>did this both with VOM leads on battery terminals AND alternator =
terminals</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>j</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> Pat Horne <<A>patintexas@icloud.com</A>></DIV>=
<DIV><B>To:</B> john niolon <<A>jniolon@att.net</A>></DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> shop-talk <<A>shop-talk@autox.team.net</A>></DIV=
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> 8/9/2021 1:30:34 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck</DI=
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John,
<DIV>Check charging voltage @ alternator post, alternator terminal, te=
rminal on other end of 1/0 cable, post that terminal connects to. If y=
ou can get to the conductor in the 1/0 cable, get that too. That shoul=
d be enough to find the problem. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Peace,</DIV>
<DIV>Pat</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>Pat Horne
<DIV>We support Habitat for Humanity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>On Aug 9, 2021, at 1:02 PM, john niolon <jniolon=
@att.net> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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ow response... helping daughter and sil move...priorities!!!</DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dnolinks style=3D'BOX-SIZING: border-box; FONT-SIZE: 13px;=
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ca, sans-serif; WHITE-SPACE: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; TEXT-TRANSFORM=
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text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; t=
ext-decoration-color: initial'>Monday a.m. report<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZI=
NG: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">fresh charge on b=
attery 40 amp for 30 minutes on saturday trickle charger since then ..=
battery voltage 13.4 this a.m. checked with two different meters<BR s=
tyle=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><=
BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">hooked up H.F. 500 amp load tester=
, voltage reading same as VOM at 13.4<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-b=
ox">voltage at frame rail terminal also 13.4<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: b=
order-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">battery has 800 CCA ca=
pacity<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">started test... over 15 sec=
ond test the battery slowly dropped to 320 amps and voltage read 10.8 =
(still in the green scale)<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">stopped=
test at 15 seconds and two minutes later battery was back up to 12.7<=
BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-bo=
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ox"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">next step will be check alter=
nator output at battery and terminal point<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: bor=
der-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">ok... started truck... e=
ngine at 1200 rpm<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">meter on alterna=
tor o/p- voltage is 14.6<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">meter on =
battery voltage is 13.5<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D=
"BOX-SIZING: border-box">hmmm...1.1 volt drop in 4' of 1/0 cable....th=
at don't sound right<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">need to measu=
re resistance of cable I guess...<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">=
<BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">as an aside... checked voltaged b=
etween frame ground and the case of the alternator... 0.0001 volts<BR =
style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box"><BR style=3D"BOX-SIZING: border-box">=
I also took battery back to Wal mart and Quintella checked it... =
battery is good based on her years of</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> 8/6/2021 8:58:12 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Shop-talk] electrical problem with truck</DIV>
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<DIV>jeff=E2=80=A6. regular led acid battery ?=
? <FONT color=3D#ff0000>Everstart Maxx27 800 C=
CA regular Walmart battery</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When it died, did any of the electrical items still work? L=
ights, etc.? <FONT color=3D#ff0000>when it first occurred ,, whe=
n I tried to restart, .. starter just clicked and I remember the =
a/c fan still blowing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Donald... How large is the cable from=
the alternator to the battery? </FONT><FONT color=3D#ff00=
00>feed from battery to alternator is #4 wire<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>Dave... I was thinkin=
g a dirty battery clamp.</FONT> battery clamps are n=
ew this year and clean, no corrosion on connections</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000><FONT color=3D#000000>John... H=
ow is the volt meter in your truck grounded, to the frame or to the mo=
tor?</FONT> voltmeter in dash is grounded to dash fr=
ame voltmeter used to check under hood is grounded to frame not =
engine. I'll go back and check ground connections. Alternator ha=
s a ground terminal of it's own... it's #10 wire grounded to the frame=
and of course the alternator is grounded through it's mount.</FO=
NT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Pat... what is the relationship betwe=
en the frame terminal & the rest of the electrical system? <=
/FONT>Terminal on the frame rail is fed by a 4' piece of #4 wire=
from the i/p solenoid lug where the cable from the battery is connect=
ed to the solenoid.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Jimmie.. What's the volta=
ge at the terminal with those accessories 'on' but the engine 'off'</F=
ONT> hmmm ?? don't remember checking that, =E2=80=A6=
I'll do that</DIV>
<DIV> <FONT color=3D#000000>How big is the alternator?</FONT>&nbs=
p; 100 amp single wire from CVF racing</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>ya'll have given me lots to check and reche=
ck and some I haven't thought of... going back through my =
diagnostics and check connections too. I bought a 500 amp load t=
ester yesterday and will put sufficient load on the battery. Bat=
tery is under the cab and I have to lower it to check it out and with =
the low truck, I have to raise truck on jackstands.. silly me, I thoug=
ht battery would be a low maintenance item ...duh. so chec=
king at a shop somewhere is a very large pain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>points I'm considering.... larger ground wi=
res from frame to engine.... alternator to frame and check resistance =
from solenoid lug to the terminal on the frame... the saga=
continues</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>thanks for all the replies and points to ch=
eck.. you guys are the best</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>john</FONT></DIV>
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