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It probably already has been covered, but I am very satisfied with my Stihl
corded string trimmer, but I only have one acre.
I did run/bury 110 AC to a few locations to make it more convenient, but I
am battery-free now for yard work (blower, trimmer, hedger, even a corded
mower, but I still prefer the gas mower).
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 7:59 AM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <
shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Well, there is no 'aviation unleaded' fuel. Airports that support
> General Aviation--aka 'small planes'--usually offer 100LL, for
> 100-octane 'Low Lead.' 'Low Lead' is relative; it has approximately
> one-third less tetra-ethyl lead than the previous de facto standard
> 110-octane avgas (I think it's 2 grams/gal for LL vs. 3grams/gal for the
> 110; may be liters instead of gallons). Put it in a clear container, it
> should be pale blue in color; the 110 I believe was red/orange-colored,
> but I never saw it anywhere in my 30 years or so of piloting and owning
> light aircraft.
>
> Some aircraft, typically with relatively low-power (less than 200HP)
> engines, can run on automotive gas, but the aircraft MUST have Technical
> Service Bulletin ('TSB') approval from the FAA--which can cost a couple
> thousand dollars--and their owners have to follow strict fueling
> procedures. These include assuring the fuel has no contaminants--I
> believe ethanol is considered a 'contaminant'--and the Reid Vapor
> Pressure ('RVP') must fall in an acceptable range. Some airports,
> precious few I think, do offer acceptable auto gas, but for most it's
> too much trouble to support for the small number of aircraft that can
> use it, and the liability is large.
>
> The FAA and industry is trying to come up with an unleaded aircraft
> fuel, but it's been a years-long process and we're still a couple/few
> years out, and it may never happen. I'm a Commercial licensed pilot,
> but haven't flown in a few years but keep up on the industry. I think
> Shell and GAMI are the only two contenders last I checked.
>
> I've gone all pedantic on you because, if you're getting avgas from a
> pump on the field it's likely 100LL--should say so on the truck or pump
> island--but don't be fooled; it's loaded with lead and if you're
> breathing the exhaust fumes you are harming your health. All the
> gas-engined equipment I have save one will run fine on 87-octane; the
> 4-stroke Stilh string trimmer I have requires 89-octane (didn't know
> that before I bought it). I keep my fuel in 5-gal cans, so to avoid
> some hassle I buy 89-octane only, but you're not doing an engine that
> can run on 87 any favors by using higher octane (goes for auto engines
> as well).
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 8/26/2019 7:20 AM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> > Brian, you're right. THANK YOU !!! Tru-Fuel seems to be the real
> deal. And I've been scoffing at canned gasoline sold for wine prices.
> >
> > I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta-Bil
> for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) for a
> couple of years. Runs much better, though to be honest the tractor doesn't
> care what gas is in it or how old. 17.5 HP Kohler, about 1999. I don't
> need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.
> >
> > I've recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical
> lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it's seemed mostly OK. For sure better
> than pump gas (gasohol only here). With pump gas every new batch of fuel
> requires carb adjustments. And I had a can of starting fluid sitting
> around for decades, unused. Now I seem to use starting fluid every month
> or two.
> >
> > My (1970) Echo blower hadn't run in years. Probably a fuel issue. That
> was why I tried the EGO blower. When the EGO wasn't up to the taks, I
> bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo's carb and put it in. Filled the
> tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and it runs. That ancient Kioritz
> engine is still strong. And it blows far stronger than that top-model EGO
> battery toy.
> >
> > Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there's nothing to
> save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel. It works. No more mixing for me.
> >
> > I may even buy a gas string trimmer now. Not sure if Echo is still what
> it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mulcher
> some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fuel
> less than 90 days old. Where is that warning? In a paragraph on page 17
> of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking the muffler
> while the engine is running. Who reads that?
> >
> > My "Pro" Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo oil - and I
> bought a case from him along with the ES-230. When the engine overheated I
> took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it. It ran less than
> 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the head gasket. Then he
> refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it. Bottom line, I got a lemon from
> a lemon of a dealer. I called Echo and they gave me a short block as long
> as I had (another) dealer install it. And it's still running. That huge
> landscaper supply dealer has a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel
> requirement.
> >
> > I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that
> experiment will cost me, but it wasn't worth it. I'm an engine guy.
> >
> > Thanks to all !!!
> > Karl
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13@earthlink.net]
> > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers
> >
> > Regarding your "lower hassle factor" comment, if you stay gas, give the
> > canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try. My blower, string trimmer, and chain
> > saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain
> > saw. Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to keep
> > fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.
> >
> > I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the
> > dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas. I said that
> > I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.
> > Turns out I shouldn't have followed the starting directions as written
> > and was flooding the engine. No problems in the 6 years since and it
> > gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.
> >
> > My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3
> > years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to just
> > toss it. Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will. The
> > semi-pro Echo is far superior. Especially like the easy loading string
> > in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20' length of .095 line, stick it
> > through the hole and twist the head to wind it up. No more trying to
> > wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of
> > the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor
> > products dealer.
> >
> > Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower. I have a corded electric
> > Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power. It too always starts
> > right up on Tru-Fuel. When I use it, I'm running it 30-45 minutes.
> > Could never expect a battery product to work for me.
> >
> > Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don't
> > consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since I
> > stopped mixing with pump gas.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:
> >> Related topic. I recently went through this consideration (still don't
> have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced that the EGO stuff
> was the best. Based on reviews and videos - never touched one till I
> ordered it.
> >>
> >> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH battery
> and a charger. It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the "Turbo" button
> it's not close to the power of my 50 year old Echo gas blower. A fast
> clean-up after mowing, using full trigger but not any time in Turbo mode,
> and I'm down to half battery. If it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2
> hour break every 45 minutes. And I swear it slows down as the battery runs
> down, though maybe that's just my disappointment kicking in.
> >>
> >> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back. Now I'm not sure the
> lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it. I still need a string
> trimmer and an edger.
> >>
> >> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to
> putting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.
> >>
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<div dir=3D"auto">It probably already has been covered, but I am very satis=
fied with my Stihl corded string trimmer, but I only have one acre.<div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I did run/bury 110 AC to a few locati=
ons to make it more convenient, but I am battery-free now for yard work (bl=
ower, trimmer, hedger, even a corded mower, but I still prefer the gas mowe=
r).</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 7:59 AM Bob Spidell via Shop-talk <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net";>shop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, there is no 'aviation =
unleaded' fuel.=C2=A0 Airports that support <br>
General Aviation--aka 'small planes'--usually offer 100LL, for <br>
100-octane 'Low Lead.'=C2=A0 'Low Lead' is relative; it has=
approximately <br>
one-third less tetra-ethyl lead than the previous de facto standard <br>
110-octane avgas (I think it's 2 grams/gal for LL vs. 3grams/gal for th=
e <br>
110; may be liters instead of gallons).=C2=A0 Put it in a clear container, =
it <br>
should be pale blue in color; the 110 I believe was red/orange-colored, <br=
>
but I never saw it anywhere in my 30 years or so of piloting and owning <br=
>
light aircraft.<br>
<br>
Some aircraft, typically with relatively low-power (less than 200HP) <br>
engines, can run on automotive gas, but the aircraft MUST have Technical <b=
r>
Service Bulletin ('TSB') approval from the FAA--which can cost a co=
uple <br>
thousand dollars--and their owners have to follow strict fueling <br>
procedures. These include assuring the fuel has no contaminants--I <br>
believe ethanol is considered a 'contaminant'--and the Reid Vapor <=
br>
Pressure ('RVP') must fall in an acceptable range. Some airports, <=
br>
precious few I think, do offer acceptable auto gas, but for most it's <=
br>
too much trouble to support for=C2=A0 the small number of aircraft that can=
<br>
use it, and the liability is large.<br>
<br>
The FAA and industry is trying to come up with an unleaded aircraft <br>
fuel, but it's been a years-long process and we're still a couple/f=
ew <br>
years out, and it may never happen.=C2=A0 I'm a Commercial licensed pil=
ot, <br>
but haven't flown in a few years but keep up on the industry.=C2=A0 I t=
hink <br>
Shell and GAMI are the only two contenders last I checked.<br>
<br>
I've gone all pedantic on you because, if you're getting avgas from=
a <br>
pump on the field it's likely 100LL--should say so on the truck or pump=
<br>
island--but don't be fooled; it's loaded with lead and if you'r=
e <br>
breathing the exhaust fumes you are harming your health.=C2=A0 All the <br>
gas-engined equipment I have save one will run fine on 87-octane; the <br>
4-stroke Stilh string trimmer I have requires 89-octane (didn't know <b=
r>
that before I bought it).=C2=A0 I keep my fuel in 5-gal cans, so to avoid <=
br>
some hassle I buy 89-octane only, but you're not doing an engine that <=
br>
can run on 87 any favors by using higher octane (goes for auto engines <br>
as well).<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<br>
On 8/26/2019 7:20 AM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
> Brian, you're right.=C2=A0 THANK YOU !!!=C2=A0 Tru-Fuel seems to b=
e the real deal.=C2=A0 And I've been scoffing at canned gasoline sold f=
or wine prices.<br>
><br>
> I've brought aviation unleaded home from the airport and added Sta=
-Bil for all the 4-cycle lawn equipment (lawn tractor, mower, snow blower) =
for a couple of years.=C2=A0 Runs much better, though to be honest the trac=
tor doesn't care what gas is in it or how old.=C2=A0 17.5 HP Kohler, ab=
out 1999.=C2=A0 I don't need Tru-Fuel for the 4-cycle stuff.<br>
><br>
> I've recently been mixing that same gas with high-quality chemical=
lubricant for the 2-cycle stuff and it's seemed mostly OK.=C2=A0 For s=
ure better than pump gas (gasohol only here).=C2=A0 With pump gas every new=
batch of fuel requires carb adjustments.=C2=A0 And I had a can of starting=
fluid sitting around for decades, unused.=C2=A0 Now I seem to use starting=
fluid every month or two.<br>
><br>
> My (1970) Echo blower hadn't run in years.=C2=A0 Probably a fuel i=
ssue.=C2=A0 That was why I tried the EGO blower.=C2=A0 When the EGO wasn=
9;t up to the taks, I bought a diaphragm kit for the old Echo's carb an=
d put it in.=C2=A0 Filled the tank with Tru-Fuel and a couple of pulls and =
it runs.=C2=A0 That ancient Kioritz engine is still strong.=C2=A0 And it bl=
ows far stronger than that top-model EGO battery toy.<br>
><br>
> Little 2-cycle equipment uses so little fuel that there's nothing =
to save even at $6 a quart for Tru-Fuel.=C2=A0 It works.=C2=A0 No more mixi=
ng for me.<br>
><br>
> I may even buy a gas string trimmer now.=C2=A0 Not sure if Echo is sti=
ll what it was though -- I got screwed on an Echo ES-230 vacuum/shredder/mu=
lcher some years back because of the warning about using only 89+ octane fu=
el less than 90 days old.=C2=A0 Where is that warning?=C2=A0 In a paragraph=
on page 17 of the manual, after pages of lawyer advice about not licking t=
he muffler while the engine is running.=C2=A0 Who reads that?<br>
><br>
> My "Pro" Echo dealer told me NOTHING other than to buy Echo =
oil - and I bought a case from him along with the ES-230.=C2=A0 When the en=
gine overheated I took it back to him and he said it was fine, just use it.=
=C2=A0 It ran less than 45 minutes more and finally shot fire out of the he=
ad gasket.=C2=A0 Then he refused to even ask Echo to warrantee it.=C2=A0 Bo=
ttom line, I got a lemon from a lemon of a dealer.=C2=A0 I called Echo and =
they gave me a short block as long as I had (another) dealer install it.=C2=
=A0 And it's still running.=C2=A0 That huge landscaper supply dealer ha=
s a sign in his service area about the Echo fuel requirement.<br>
><br>
> I shipped the EGO electric blower back - not sure how much that experi=
ment will cost me, but it wasn't worth it.=C2=A0 I'm an engine guy.=
<br>
><br>
> Thanks to all !!!<br>
> Karl<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Brian Kemp [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bk13@earthlink.net</a>]<br>
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Electric String Trimmers<br>
><br>
> Regarding your "lower hassle factor" comment, if you stay ga=
s, give the<br>
> canned fuel like Tru-Fuel a try.=C2=A0 My blower, string trimmer, and =
chain<br>
> saw always start right up, even after months or 2 years for the chain<=
br>
> saw.=C2=A0 Yes it costs more, but it makes it super easy not having to=
keep<br>
> fresh gas, especially with the mess they have in California.<br>
><br>
> I had problems starting my Echo string trimmer and went back to the<br=
>
> dealer and the first thing they wanted to blame was my gas.=C2=A0 I sa=
id that<br>
> I never used anything other than Tru-Fuel and he became super helpful.=
<br>
> Turns out I shouldn't have followed the starting directions as wri=
tten<br>
> and was flooding the engine.=C2=A0 No problems in the 6 years since an=
d it<br>
> gets worked very hard 4-5 times a year.<br>
><br>
> My previous string trimmer was a Ryobi and when the engine died at 3<b=
r>
> years and 2 month, all the service places blamed my gas and said to ju=
st<br>
> toss it.=C2=A0 Have not bought a Ryobi product since and never will.=
=C2=A0 The<br>
> semi-pro Echo is far superior.=C2=A0 Especially like the easy loading =
string<br>
> in the Speed-Feed head - Just take a 20' length of .095 line, stic=
k it<br>
> through the hole and twist the head to wind it up.=C2=A0 No more tryin=
g to<br>
> wrap a spool then install it in the head. This alone is worth most of<=
br>
> the price difference from a home center product to a real outdoor<br>
> products dealer.<br>
><br>
> Also like my Sthil low noise backpack blower.=C2=A0 I have a corded el=
ectric<br>
> Toro, but it seems louder and has much less power.=C2=A0 It too always=
starts<br>
> right up on Tru-Fuel.=C2=A0 When I use it, I'm running it 30-45 mi=
nutes.<br>
> Could never expect a battery product to work for me.<br>
><br>
> Battery products may work for some, but for my situation, I don't<=
br>
> consider them an option and I have zero issues with gas products since=
I<br>
> stopped mixing with pump gas.<br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 8/20/2019 3:26 PM, Karl Vacek via Shop-talk wrote:<br>
>> Related topic.=C2=A0 I recently went through this consideration (s=
till don't have a new string trimmer or edger) and became convinced tha=
t the EGO stuff was the best.=C2=A0 Based on reviews and videos - never tou=
ched one till I ordered it.<br>
>><br>
>> I started with their biggest blower, which came with the 5-AH batt=
ery and a charger.=C2=A0 It's fine, I guess, but unless you push the &q=
uot;Turbo" button it's not close to the power of my=C2=A0 50 year =
old Echo gas blower.=C2=A0 A fast clean-up after mowing, using full trigger=
but not any time in Turbo mode, and I'm down to half battery.=C2=A0 If=
it was leaf season I'd be taking a 1-1/2 hour break every 45 minutes.=
=C2=A0 And I swear it slows down as the battery runs down, though maybe tha=
t's just my disappointment kicking in.<br>
>><br>
>> It was an Amazon purchase and it's going back.=C2=A0 Now I'=
;m not sure the lower hassle factor of a battery tool is worth it.=C2=A0 I =
still need a string trimmer and an edger.<br>
>><br>
>> Going to the Stihl dealer next, and probably resigning myself to p=
utting up with 2-cycle engines for a while more.<br>
>><br>
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