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Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus

To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net>, john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] need some copper plumbing help from the gurus
From: Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> hBh5iu8ViOk9ScFdTC3Bby7VnGh/u5M2YkZNHVBF/eEV/vmajejSW8tmgr6YJVqoGmcyaId6fq5aUo9JJ6YYQ/8542+sUdyDl1JuoZ9FEMoiRUDxIgtTNGpj urJSLkkNVSEBc2ND4jZtTGRDnnSji75qbnEGekU1/1WamE7td/+w4M8AO+I6rBcF
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There's something wrong with those numbers=2E =2E900 minus =2E882 is only =
=2E018, meaning the wall thickness is only =2E009"=2E

But otherwise I agree, its probably 3/4 soft copper tubing, perhaps with a=
n extra coating for direct burial=2E Get a 3/4" flare nut and see if it wil=
l fit over the tubing=2E =2E900" is kind of big, but flare fittings are muc=
h more forgiving than sweat fittings are=2E Soft copper can also be swaged =
down a bit, just by clamping it in the flaring tool=2E
-- Randall

On 20 October 2018 20:10:06 GMT-06:00, Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline=
=2Enet> wrote:
>There's certainly nothing wrong with asking the=20
>shop-talk gurus, but for that sort of situation I=20
>would walk into a plumbing supply store and tell=20
>them what I have and ask for a fitting=2E  I'm sure=20
>the situation has come up before=2E  As far as I=20
>know, there hasn't been any major shift in sizes=20
>in the last 25 years=2E  My house was built in 1985=20
>and fittings I buy work just fine with the=20
>original pipes=2E  Maybe the coiled tubing is the=20
>problem=2E  I have never tried connecting regular fittings to that=2E
>
>-Steve T=2E
>
>At 01:07 PM 10/20/2018, john niolon wrote:
>>When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had=20
>>the plumber install a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D water line to the=20
>>shop and cap it off=2E  I was going to put in the=20
>>sink and the outside faucet when I got time=2E  Well,  this week I got
>time
>>
>>I cut the cap off and test fitted a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D Tee=20
>>to start dry fitting the plumbing for=20
>>sink/faucet=2E  The Tee wouldn=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99t fit on the=20
>>tubing=2E  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still=20
>>too small to fit over the tubing=2E  It looks like=20
>>he used coiled tubing, or at least that=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s=20
>>what=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s coming up thru the concrete=2E  I tried=20
>>several fittings and even cut the tubing lower=20
>>to see if it was crimped or out of round=2E=2E=2E  it=20
>>mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d the same all the way around it in several places
>>
>>I mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d the tubing and the fitting and here=C3=A2=C2=80=
=C2=99s the results
>>
>>tubing i=2Ed=2E is  =2E882=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D which is just over 7/8=C3=
=A2=C2=80=C2=9D
>>tubing o=2Ed=2E is  =2E900=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D  which is just under 29/32=
=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D
>>
>>a new standard Tee i=2Ed=2Eis =2E876=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D   which ain=C3=A2=
=C2=80=C2=99t gonna fit over =2E900
>>
>>if I can find one fitting to get this to=20
>>standard 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D size I=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99m good to go=2E=
=2E=2E
>>
>>did the old stuff differ from todays standard =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9C
>>after researching fittings a little I see that=20
>>there are several =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98types=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D of fittings=
=2E=2E=2E=2E=20
>>from plumbing to hvac to whatever=2E=2E=2E
>>
>>anyone wanna try and give me some guidance=20
>>here=2E=2E=2E the net is confusing and offers little on actual dimension=
s
>>
>>thanks
>>john
>
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<html><head></head><body>There's something wrong with those numbers=2E =2E9=
00 minus =2E882 is only =2E018, meaning the wall thickness is only =2E009"=
=2E<br><br>But otherwise I agree, its probably 3/4 soft copper tubing, perh=
aps with an extra coating for direct burial=2E Get a 3/4" flare nut and see=
 if it will fit over the tubing=2E =2E900" is kind of big, but flare fittin=
gs are much more forgiving than sweat fittings are=2E Soft copper can also =
be swaged down a bit, just by clamping it in the flaring tool=2E<br>-- Rand=
all<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 20 October 2018 20:10:06 GMT-06:00=
, Steven Trovato &lt;strovato@optonline=2Enet&gt; wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px sol=
id rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class=3D"k9mail">There's certainly nothing wrong with asking the <br>=
shop-talk gurus, but for that sort of situation I <br>would walk into a plu=
mbing supply store and tell <br>them what I have and ask for a fitting=2E  =
I'm sure <br>the situation has come up before=2E  As far as I <br>know, the=
re hasn't been any major shift in sizes <br>in the last 25 years=2E  My hou=
se was built in 1985 <br>and fittings I buy work just fine with the <br>ori=
ginal pipes=2E  Maybe the coiled tubing is the <br>problem=2E  I have never=
 tried connecting regular fittings to that=2E<br><br>-Steve T=2E<br><br>At =
01:07 PM 10/20/2018, john niolon wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; pad=
ding-left: 1ex;">When we built my house/shop 25 years ago I had <br>the plu=
mber install a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D water line to the <br>shop and cap it =
off=2E  I was going to put in the <br>sink and the outside faucet when I go=
t time=2E  Well,  this week I got time<br><br>I cut the cap off and test fi=
tted a 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D Tee <br>to start dry fitting the plumbing for =
<br>sink/faucet=2E  The Tee wouldn=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99t fit on the <br>tubing=
=2E  I cleaned it well but the Tee was still <br>too small to fit over the =
tubing=2E  It looks like <br>he used coiled tubing, or at least that=C3=A2=
=C2=80=C2=99s <br>what=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s coming up thru the concrete=2E  I=
 tried <br>several fittings and even cut the tubing lower <br>to see if it =
was crimped or out of round=2E=2E=2E  it <br>mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d the sam=
e all the way around it in several places<br><br>I mic=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99d t=
he tubing and the fitting and here=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99s the results<br><br>tu=
bing i=2Ed=2E is  =2E882=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D which is just over 7/8=C3=A2=C2=
=80=C2=9D<br>tubing o=2Ed=2E is  =2E900=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D  which is just un=
der 29/32=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9D<br><br>a new standard Tee i=2Ed=2Eis =2E876=C3=
=A2=C2=80=C2=9D   which ain=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99t gonna fit over =2E900<br><br=
>if I can find one fitting to get this to <br>standard 3/4=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=
=9D size I=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99m good to go=2E=2E=2E<br><br>did the old stuff =
differ from todays standard =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=9C<br>after researching fitting=
s a little I see that <br>there are several =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98types=C3=A2=
=C2=80=C2=9D of fittings=2E=2E=2E=2E <br>from plumbing to hvac to whatever=
=2E=2E=2E<br><br>anyone wanna try and give me some guidance <br>here=2E=2E=
=2E the net is confusing and offers little on actual dimensions<br><br>than=
ks<br>john<br></blockquote><hr>This email has been checked for viruses by A=
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