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Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1

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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Mgs Digest, Vol 195, Issue 1
From: Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:44:59 +0100
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Both those are describing the function of the instrument which is the 
same in both cases and is not the point in question.  Even so the first 
definition includes the statement "In formal engineering nomenclature, 
more precise terms are used to distinguish the two.".

The PO's question was how do I connect a _tachometer_ , and the answer 
to that is fundamentally different to a rev counter.  A rev counter 
displays the rate at which a cable drive is turning, a tachometer 
measures the time between successive electrical pulses.  In the rev 
counter case it doesn't matter whether it is on a 4, 6 or 8 (etc.) 
cylinder whereas for a tachometer the pulses from an 8 cylinder engine 
are coming in at twice the rate of a 4-cylinder and there have to be 
_internal_ differences in the tachometer to display that correctly.  If 
the terms are used interchangeably then when responding to a (formal 
engineering?) question you would first have to establish which one is 
being talked about!

PaulH.

On 02/08/2023 14:29, dave northrup wrote:
>
> From Wikipedia
>
> A *tachometer* (*revolution-counter*, *tach*, *rev-counter*, *RPM 
> gauge*) is an instrument measuring the rotation speed of a shaft 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle> or disk, as in a motor or other 
> machine.^[1] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachometer#cite_note-1> 
>  The device usually displays the revolutions per minute 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_per_minute> (RPM) on a 
> calibrated analogue dial, but digital displays are increasingly common.
>
> The word comes from Greek 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language> Ï?άÏ?οÏ? (/táchos/ "speed")
>  
> and μέÏ?Ï?ον (/métron/ "measure"). Essentially the words tachometer 
> and 
> speedometer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer> have identical 
> meaning: a device that measures speed. It is by arbitrary convention 
> that in the automotive world one is used for engine revolutions and 
> the other for vehicle speed. In formal engineering nomenclature, more 
> precise terms are used to distinguish the two.
>
> From dictionary.com
>
> *tachometer*
>
> [ ta-*kom*-i-ter, t/uh/- ]SHOW IPA
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> /noun/
>
>  1. any of various instruments for measuring or indicating velocity or
>     speed, as of a machine, a river, or the blood.
>  2. an instrument measuring revolutions per minute, as of an engine.
>
>
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    <p>Both those are describing the function of the instrument which is
      the same in both cases and is not the point in question.  Even so
      the first definition includes the statement "<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#202122">In
        formal engineering nomenclature, more precise terms are used to
        distinguish the two.".<br>
      </span></p>
    <p>The PO's question was how do I connect a _tachometer_ , and the
      answer to that is fundamentally different to a rev counter.  A rev
      counter displays the rate at which a cable drive is turning, a
      tachometer measures the time between successive electrical
      pulses.  In the rev counter case it doesn't matter whether it is
      on a 4, 6 or 8 (etc.) cylinder whereas for a tachometer the pulses
      from an 8 cylinder engine are coming in at twice the rate of a
      4-cylinder and there have to be _internal_ differences in the
      tachometer to display that correctly.  If the terms are used
      interchangeably then when responding to a (formal engineering?)
      question you would first have to establish which one is being
      talked about!<br>
    </p>
    <p>PaulH.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/08/2023 14:29, dave northrup
      wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#202122">A <b>tachometer</b> (<b>revolution-counter</b>, <b>tach</b>, <b>rev-counter</b>, <b>RPM
              gauge</b>) is an instrument measuring the rotation speed
            of a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axle";
              title="Axle" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                style="color:#3366CC;text-decoration:none">shaft</span></a> or
            disk, as in a motor or other machine.</span><sup
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style="color:#3366CC;text-decoration:none">[1]</span></a></span></sup><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#202122"> The
            device usually displays the <a
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              title="Revolutions per minute" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                style="color:#3366CC;text-decoration:none">revolutions
                per minute</span></a> (RPM) on a calibrated analogue
            dial, but digital displays are increasingly common.</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#202122"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#202122">The
            word comes from <a
              href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language";
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style="color:#3366CC;text-decoration:none">Greek</span></a> Ï?άÏ?οÏ? (<i>táchos</i> "speed")
            and μέÏ?Ï?ον (<i>métron</i> "measure"). Essentially the 
words
            tachometer and <a
              href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer";
              title="Speedometer" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                
style="color:#3366CC;text-decoration:none">speedometer</span></a> have
            identical meaning: a device that measures speed. It is by
            arbitrary convention that in the automotive world one is
            used for engine revolutions and the other for vehicle speed.
            In formal engineering nomenclature, more precise terms are
            used to distinguish the two.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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