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Did any MGAs leave the factory with a tach? Early MGBs had a rev
counter before they got the tach.
On 31/07/2023 21:21, Eric Russell wrote:
> My guess is an MGA tach face (Jaeger) or perhaps MGA tach face & case
> was used with a different tach's internals. MGB tachs were 'Smiths'.
>
> MGB tach for MGA is described here:
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202c.htm
>
> EjR
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> Â Â 1. mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine (dave northrup)
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:22:55 +0000
> From: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com>
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> Subject: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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> Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
> tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
> working.
>
> On the back view, what hooks up where? I am pretty sure the tab,
> and the screw, are ground.
>
> The other two - one needs to go to power and the other to the
> coil. I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
> male. Which goes to power and which to the coil?
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> From: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>
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> Hmm, the back of that tach case has obviously been modified. Are
> you sure it still contains the matching internals? I say this
> because for 20 years I ran my Mk. I MGB with the original tach
> case, faceplate & needle, but with a cheap auto parts store
> mini-tach inside the case. The only modifications were two small
> screw holes to attach the mechanism.
>
> An original MGB Mk. I tach would have had a loop in the white
> wire, attached to the back of the case with a thumb nut and a thin
> U-shaped brass bracket. I am not seeing that on yours.
>
> Actually, I guess it is unclear whether you are talking about an
> MGA tach or an early MGB tach...
>
> --
> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
>
> > On Jul 30, 2023, at 5:22 PM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
> tach which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
> working.
> >
> > On the back view, what hooks up where? I am pretty sure the
> tab, and the screw, are ground.
> >
> > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the
> coil. I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
> male. Which goes to power and which to the coil?
> > <tach front view.jpg><tach rear
> view.jpg>_______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:38:26 +0100
> From: Paul Hunt <paulbhunt73@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Mgs] mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine
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> Not an MGB reference number, it looks like it has later internals
> than
> but would still be the current-operated type i.e. RVI where the
> power to
> the coil comes via the tach.? The ignition switch would be
> connected to
> the male bullet and the female bullet to the coil.? 12v (also from
> the
> ignition) to the spade and earth to the case.? When used on the MGB
> there were separate wires from the ignition switch to the spade
> and to
> the male bullet but you can tee from one to the other rather than
> running a separate wire.
>
> It would have been helpful to see the top half of the dial where it
> might have shown RVI and what polarity it was.? I suspect it would
> show
> positive earth, but those electronics would have been used with
> negative
> earth in an MGB for example so it looks like it has been converted by
> swapping the guts instead of swapping the wires round internally.? If
> that tach was used after the car was converted to negative earth it
> would make sense.
>
> PaulH.
>
> On 31/07/2023 01:22, dave northrup wrote:
> >
> > Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the electric
> tach
> > which supposedly was previously installed in this car and working.
> >
> > On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure the
> tab, and
> > the screw, are ground.
> >
> > The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to the
> coil.? I
> > think one is a female bullet connector; the other is male.?
> Which goes
> > to power and which to the coil?
> >
> >
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<p>Did any MGAs leave the factory with a tach? Early MGBs had a rev
counter before they got the tach.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/07/2023 21:21, Eric Russell
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">My guess is
an MGA tach face (Jaeger) or perhaps MGA tach face & case
was used with a different tach's internals. MGB tachs were
'Smiths'. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">MGB tach for
MGA is described here:Â <a
href="http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202c.htm";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et202c.htm</a>Â </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">EjRÂ </div>
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  1. mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine (dave northrup)<br>
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  3. Re: mga 1500 with early 5 main mgb engine (Paul Hunt)<br>
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:22:55 +0000<br>
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Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the
electric tach which supposedly was previously installed in
this car and working.<br>
<br>
On the back view, what hooks up where? I am pretty sure the
tab, and the screw, are ground.<br>
<br>
The other two - one needs to go to power and the other to the
coil. I think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
male. Which goes to power and which to the coil?<br>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 17:52:40 -0700<br>
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Hmm, the back of that tach case has obviously been modified.
Are you sure it still contains the matching internals? I say
this because for 20 years I ran my Mk. I MGB with the original
tach case, faceplate & needle, but with a cheap auto parts
store mini-tach inside the case. The only modifications were
two small screw holes to attach the mechanism.<br>
<br>
An original MGB Mk. I tach would have had a loop in the white
wire, attached to the back of the case with a thumb nut and a
thin U-shaped brass bracket. I am not seeing that on yours.<br>
<br>
Actually, I guess it is unclear whether you are talking about
an MGA tach or an early MGB tach...<br>
<br>
--<br>
Max Heim<br>
'66 MGB<br>
<br>
> On Jul 30, 2023, at 5:22 PM, dave northrup <<a
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wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the
electric tach which supposedly was previously installed in
this car and working.<br>
>Â <br>
> On the back view, what hooks up where? I am pretty sure
the tab, and the screw, are ground.<br>
>Â <br>
> The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to
the coil. I think one is a female bullet connector; the other
is male. Which goes to power and which to the coil?<br>
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Not an MGB reference number, it looks like it has later
internals than <br>
but would still be the current-operated type i.e. RVI where
the power to <br>
the coil comes via the tach.? The ignition switch would be
connected to <br>
the male bullet and the female bullet to the coil.? 12v (also
from the <br>
ignition) to the spade and earth to the case.? When used on
the MGB <br>
there were separate wires from the ignition switch to the
spade and to <br>
the male bullet but you can tee from one to the other rather
than <br>
running a separate wire.<br>
<br>
It would have been helpful to see the top half of the dial
where it <br>
might have shown RVI and what polarity it was.? I suspect it
would show <br>
positive earth, but those electronics would have been used
with negative <br>
earth in an MGB for example so it looks like it has been
converted by <br>
swapping the guts instead of swapping the wires round
internally.? If <br>
that tach was used after the car was converted to negative
earth it <br>
would make sense.<br>
<br>
PaulH.<br>
<br>
On 31/07/2023 01:22, dave northrup wrote:<br>
><br>
> Negative ground, car runs smoothly, need to install the
electric tach <br>
> which supposedly was previously installed in this car and
working.<br>
><br>
> On the back view, what hooks up where?? I am pretty sure
the tab, and <br>
> the screw, are ground.<br>
><br>
> The other two ? one needs to go to power and the other to
the coil.? I <br>
> think one is a female bullet connector; the other is
male.? Which goes <br>
> to power and which to the coil?<br>
><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
><br>
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