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Subject: re: frame pads and shop prices
From: <SRegel@dpra.com> (Scott Regel)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 9:21:10 EDT
Thanks for the info Mark.  You've talked me into doing it.  Motorhead here in 
Northern Virginia wants $225 to do them.  His prices are outragious!  I'm 
trying to get the car to pass Maryland inspection and had to replace the 
steering rack.  I bought the rack and decided to have a shop do it just to 
save me the frustration of trying to makeshift something to aline the 
steering shafts and re-mounting the rack just to get the right amount of 
shims in there.  He still wants to charge me $260 when other shops up here 
charge $130 if you have the part.  I was missing those #$## clips on the rear 
wheel cyclinders and asked him how much he wanted just to put the two clips 
on...$35!  The only reason I went to him is because they were nice enough to 
do a free tech session for our local MG club and I wasn't aware of any good 
shops in the area.  They also seem to have one of the best reputations for 
quality repairs.  Sorry for venting!  

Does anyone else find these prices a bit high?  But thanks for the details 
for replacing the pads.  That's what I love about this list...you learn alot 
and keep from going to the poor house.  And it's fun!

Thanks

Scott
76 B
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From: <IfixMGs@aol.com>, on 5/10/2000 8:53 AM:

Has anyone heard of a sub frame pad for the front suspension of a 76 B?  My 
local shop says I need to replace them because the front end is starting to 
move?  I've never heard of this before.  They also ran a compression test on 
the old engine....150, 80, 110, 130.  Will I need a rebuild real soon?  What 
would cause No. 2 to be at 80?  Bearing, ring?  It doesn't blow smoke or 
consume and oil.  Seems to run okay too.  Hopefully it can hold off until 
later this year.  I'll double check it when I get it home.
 SCOTT:
        I just finished a 2 week refurb of a 77 which hit a pothole so large 
that the car came to a dead halt inside the hole from 35 mph. The owner 
continued to drive it without an inspection for nearly a year!
        All 4 of the subframe bolts were loosend, and the  pads between the 
crossmember  and the body simply vanished thru the pulverization process..... 
 The crossmember pivoted like the front end of a radioflyer wagon, and 
whenever the brakes were applied with the wheels turned, the car went out of 
control, but he pressed on, including several 500 mile round trips to the 
mountains!   He had it checked out once at a garage, but they jacked the car 
from the crossmember, forcing it tight against the frame rails, and 
pronounced everything hunky dory, saying that little cars never handle 
well(????)  This car needed new springs, kingpins, shocks, bushings and A 
arms to the tune of $600, but replacing the pads shouldn't run more than $140 
(2 hrs labor and parts) by someone not well versed in MGBs, and less if the 
guy really knows his stuff (and all goes well.....) I charge $100 plus pads, 
as a  flat rate. 
     Over the years, I've found many Bs with loose/missing and worn  pads.
       The job is actually quite easy, and can be done with a floor jack, 
some jackstands and a 1/2" drive ratchet, 3/4 amd 5/8 sockets. short 
extension and breaker bar, and a 3/8 drive 9/16 socket and 9/16 wrench. With 
the car on jackstands (tires about 3" off ground, center the floor jack on 
the crossmember.  Remove the 4 steering rack bolts, and the 5/8" bolts that 
hold the steering knuckles to the king pin swivels. Remove the 4 locknuts 
from the top of the frame rails and lower the front crossmember just enough 
to r&r the pads.  I always stuff a piece of foam in the hole accessing the  
two forwardmost bolts to keep them from falling inside the crossmember and 
wasting time retreiving them. Replace all 8 pads  (I use trimmed down spring 
pads when out of stock.....) and torque the daylights out of the nuts (really 
torque them to the book-spec...) and refit the steering rack. Last one I did 
took 45 minutes start to finish using an impact gun and air ratchet. 
     Your compression numbers sound like valves are in need of a regrind.....
              Mark Childers    Union Jack Spares  VA Beach VA 




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