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Re: Sort of breakdown

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Subject: Re: Sort of breakdown
From: Max Heim <mvheim@studiolimage.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:43:55 -0800
What year MGB? The early (non-synchro tranny) starter pinions had a habit 
of getting jammed in the flywheel gear teeth. The rocking you described 
is precisely the method to free it up. In my case it got progressively 
worse as the flywheel teeth got chewed up. This in turn would chew up the 
pinion teeth until I had to replace the starter. After three starters in 
three months I bit the bullet and pulled the flywheel to get a new ring 
gear fitted. (As it turned out I never refitted that flywheel since I 
stumbled across a 4-synch OD tranny which I installed instead. I must say 
that the later starter is much more confidence-inspiring in its 
configuration, and in fact is more reliable in operation).

Anyway, if you suspect a similar problem, get under the car with the 
tranny in neutral and the spark plugs removed, and turning the engine 
over a bit at a time, examine the flywheel gear teeth through the starter 
opening. Two bad teeth in succession will be sufficient to cause a jam, 
in my experience. The jamming is somewhat intermittent due to the 
"random" initial position of the flywheel at startup. But the position 
does not seem to be entirely random -- the engine has a tendency to stop 
with the crank in certain positions of greatest friction (or least 
energy, or whatever). This means that a total of 3 or 4 bad teeth can 
force you to resort to the rocking procedure on almost every start.

You can also look at the starter pinion teeth, since they are right out 
there exposed where you can see them. Are the corners of the teeth 
chipped and broken?

Of course, if you have a '68-or-later car, this is irrelevant, and I 
apologize for wasting bandwidth. When you say, "no response", did you 
hear a faint "clunk" sound? I should have said that the situation 
described above assumes so.

If nothing happens at all, it is just as likely to be poor electrical 
connections, usually at the battery post clamps, and not the starter. 
This can be intermittent as well, for inscrutable reasons of temperature, 
humidity, and charge.

Good luck, hope it's the latter and not the former situation.

Martin C. Jones had this to say:

>After paying at a petrol station at the weekend, I returned 
>to my MGB, turned the key - no response. Indications seemed 
>to point to the starter motor. I rocked her to and fro in 
>fourth gear, tried again and hey presto she fired up. 
>
>My question is: 
>
>Can this happen as a one off or should I check out the 
>starter motor? I seem to be OK with it this week so far.
>
>Regards,
>
>Martin
>
>
>


--

Max Heim
'66 MGB GHN3L76149
If you're near Mountain View, CA,
it's the red one with the silver bootlid.


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