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4.2L all locked up- update

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Subject: 4.2L all locked up- update
From: Jim Stuart <jimbb88@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:37:42 -0500
Cc: Woody Cooper <SMCTR8@aol.com>
Reply-to: Jim Stuart <jimbb88@erols.com>
Sender: owner-mgb-v8@Autox.Team.Net
Well, an update on what has become an interesting, if somewhat
frustrating problem:

Not satisfied with disassembly/ reassemble to eliminate the problem, I
dug into it again this weekend. Boy am I tired of r & r'ing the clutch,
flywheel, bell housing, tranny!

This is what I have discovered- smarter ones on this list probably new
the answer, I just didn't ask correctly. The engine I have is approx.
1994 4.2 L from a Land Rover, originally with a serpentine drive front
cover. As such, it has a slightly different crank than the Buick/Olds
that I am more familiar with. The rear of the crank has a tubular
extension that holds the pilot bush. On the Rover, this extends approx.
3/4" beyond the flywheel mounting flange. On the Buick/Olds, the
extension is 5/16". This is something I had not noticed until yesterday.
It does not present any obvious problems, the flywheel & clutch assembly
bolt up just fine. Apparently, some Rover engines have a spacer, solid
chunk of steel, that slides over the end of the crank, spacing the
flywheel further to the rear, so it looks like the end of the GM unit. I
don't know when this is used, manual or automatic?  or why. I assume it
is to space the flex plate or flywheel to align with the starter drive.

The transmission is a Chevy T-5, not a Rover, & the bell housing is a
3/4 speed Buick. The flywheel is an after market Buick/Rover replacement
item, clutch is a Chevy S-10, 10.5".

This extra 3/4" of crank length is my real problem. Everything bolts up
just fine until you finally snug up the tranny. When this is done, the
splined section of the tranny input shaft comes to rest on the end of
the crank, forcing the crank forward in the engine, until it locks the
engine due to the pressure against the thrust washers, or some other
internal part. I could only see this by removing the clutch assembly and
then installing the trans. As I tightened the trans to bell housing
bolts, the input shaft became harder & harder to turn, until it stopped.

To prove my observation, I installed 1, 1/2" flat washer on each bolt,
between the tranny & bell housing. when tightened down, everything was
free.

Now, 2 questions. How much space is really required, how/where to space.
Observation shows that the small end of the input shaft resides entirely
within the pilot bearing. I do not see this as a problem. More of the
shaft is supported by the bush than is normal, but is this bad? I am
using a hydraulic throwout bearing that is adjustable for length, so the
distance from the face of the tranny to the clutch (or flywheel) is not
a problem. There are 2 obvious places to add a spacer, between the block
& bell housing, or between the bell housing & tranny. There is plenty of
space within the bell housing for the clutch, so no need to space here
for that reason.

I am not comfortable with just leaving washers between the tranny & bell
housing, as it seems that it will put all the stress on the ears of the
trans. Any contrary opinions are welcome, as this is the simplest
solution. Alternately, anyone capable of providing a spacer, please let
me know. This is the last item keeping the car off the road.

As usual, I am counting upon the magic of this list for advice.

Jim Stuart


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