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Re: Fw: Fw: Hilborn v. carbs

To: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Hilborn v. carbs
From: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:53:49 -0400
I will call them on monday i have got to know how this works ..
Dave

Joe Amo wrote:
> 
> Dave  they
> COMPENSATE for air density changes.
> The reason so many use these carbs is that
> they not only make the most power, but they
> allow you to travel to anywhere in the world and require
> NO changes/adjustments, racers travel unload and do not
> have any adjustments to make, yes sea level or Denver,
> same set up, 32 degrees or 120, same set up, thousands of
> users every weekend can attest to them.
> Joe :)
> 
> Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> 
> > Wouldn't that be a CFM change and not a density change. most carbs will
> > compensate for a CFM change quite well. I can put the same 750 Holley or 
>carter
> > on a wide variety of engines and it will work quite well but neither will 
>handle
> > a 4000 ft change in altitude very well.
> > Dave Dahlgren
> >
> > Joe Amo wrote:
> > >
> > > Dave, the "Lectron" is the "Fast By Gast" carb of Pauls.
> > > Sort of Pauls, it came on two strokes a few years ago,
> > > he simply picked up on it again, Vesco ran them on many
> > > of his machines.   They are truly the poor mans EFI,
> > > the set I got came off of a 1500cc plus 275 hp NA
> > > motor, when I called Paul to find out were I should
> > > set the metering rod length for a baseline on my 998cc
> > > motor, he said
> > > "didnt they work on the bike they came off of", I said
> > > yes, and on they went, they carburate perfectly,
> > > how is that for compensation?
> > > Joe :)
> > >
> > > Marge and/or Dave Thomssen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > Paul Gast makes a carb for the pro stock motorcycles that does the same
> > > > thing, now that you mention it.  None of the scooter racers have to 
>change
> > > > jets at all.
> > > >
> > > > Dave the Hayseed
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > > > To: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> > > > Cc: Marge and/or Dave Thomssen <mdthom@radiks.net>; Land-speed Racers
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:28 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Hilborn v. carbs
> > > >
> > > > Mine do Dave, you can borrow them, they are
> > > > Lectron (brand name), a flat slide carb with a tapered metering
> > > > rod,  no jets, yes they compensate
> > > > for air density, dont need no electronics, dont need
> > > > no high falootin fuel system, its all natural, self compensating,
> > > > the dyno and the timing system dont lie, ask ANY motorcycle
> > > > prostocker (or 90% of any at the dragstrip, or wanna be me)
> > > > Joe :)
> > > >
> > > > Dave Dahlgren wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Then what is with all the jets for changing things?? You mean to tell 
>me
> > > > that a
> > > > > Holley or carter carb will need no jet correction to run at 4000 ft 
>and
> > > > 110
> > > > > degrees instead of sea level and 60 degrees.. Sure wish i had one of 
>those
> > > > !
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > Marge and/or Dave Thomssen wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the answer is: any brand but Stromberg!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
> > > > > > To: Marge and/or Dave Thomssen <mdthom@radiks.net>
> > > > > > Cc: Land-speed Racers <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:20 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Hilborn v. carbs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And the brand carb that will make air density changes is?
> > > > > > Dave Dahlgren
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marge and/or Dave Thomssen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think the major difference between a Hilborn and a carb is the
> > > > modern
> > > > > > carb
> > > > > > > (not a 97) automatically adjusts for changes in air density 
>(within
> > > > > > limits)
> > > > > > > and the Hilborn relies on you to change the pill.  If you get the 
>pill
> > > > > > > wrong, the carb out-powers the Hilborn.  EFI is one step better, 
>it
> > > > > > > automatically adjusts everything.  CFM aside, Hilborn trumps carb 
>and
> > > > EFI
> > > > > > > trumps Hilborn just because of the fineness of the spray(liquid 
>fuel
> > > > does
> > > > > > > not burn, only vapor). Having done it, I have to say that tuning 
>an
> > > > engine
> > > > > > > equipped with 97's was the biggest challenge, but I like my Holly 
>750.
> > > > > > > Dave the hayseed

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