Mike, looking at #5. Is there any provision for us to come to World Finals,
and run for BNI internation records on the regular course? Meaning can I run a
bike, according to FIA rules, on the regular long course? If so then is there
any extra cost involved since I am not running on the long course that requires
additional course prep? You mentioned that the BNI international records are
available to set records by the FIA rules as a lower cost alternative to paying
the FIA fee. Does this truly mean that we can come run at World Finals, abiding
by FIA rules, on the long course, at regular WF fees?
At any rate, running a meet and abiding by FIA rules, without them present is a
very intriguing idea, as they really would have a tough time refuting the SCTA
records as World Records, as they already sign off on the authenticity of the
SCTA certified speed clockings.
Joe :)
Mike Manghelli wrote:
> Ok, Time for my two cents... I will try to keep it short and to the point.
>
> First, the SCTA/BNI board has strong opinions about our position in the
> world of LSR. We want to do it with the highest of integrity. Let's look
> at a few of the points bantered about here.
>
> 1. Records at Bonneville used to be earned over 3 passes. First was a
> qualifying (anything over the existing record), second was first record pass
> down direction, third was return run opposite direction. You had as much
> time to work on your car as it took to return the cars at the other end.
>
> 2. Due to the number of entrants and long waits in lines the SCTA/BNI
> board decided to remove the "qualifying run" and deemed that a pass over the
> existing record was the "first pass of the record run". The return run was
> still in the opposite direction in accord with SCTA/BNI and international
> (FIA) rules.
>
> 3. Due to salt conditions and course layout the SCTA/BNI board has
> decided it is unsafe for a competitor to make a return run at the dykes (it
> was tried and some cars got very wet) and therefore has instituted a same
> direction record for the last couple of years. It is this board's desire
> that as SOON as the course allows we WILL return to two way records! Note:
> for 2000 SCTA/BNI instituted a 4 hour time to work on the car, (ref I-7 page
> 9 2000 rule book).
>
> 4. Distance of runs; To ensure the highest of integrity the SCTA/BNI will
> only allow our records to run on two different courses, they are; Short
> course, a two mile approach to one mile timed trap. Long course a two mile
> approach to 3, one mile timed traps. The only exception exists for FIA and
> BNI international records. The BNI international record is established
> under the exact same criteria as an FIA record. The FIA does not stipulate
> the length of approach to the timed mile and or Kilo trap (ref page 108
> SCTA/BNI 200 rule book).
>
> 5. Why BNI international records? Competitors wanted a lower cost
> alternate to being recognized than the FIA. (you have already been told
> about the LSA, that was the whole purpose for that organization) We
> (SCTA/BNI) are providing that by following all FIA rules (including 1 hr
> turn around) during the event and then recognizing them in our rule book.
> So if you want the "extra" length of the course you must run FIA/BNI
> international. Does this cost extra? Only for course preparation, (last
> year was going to be double the $360 entry fee). Can I run my roadster on
> the FIA/BNI international course? NO. Only streamliners and lakesters are
> allowed on the extra long course. Once again SCTA/BNI wants to uphold the
> integrity of their records and will not allow a roadster or coupe the chance
> to run on an extended course. Even if they do not set a record, we do not
> want to let Keith run a five mile approach to the timed mile and have the
> "bragging rights" over some one else. That is not fair, just like trying to
> compare, Bonneville, El Mirage, Muroc and Maxton records.
>
> 6. FIA/BNI international records are only available at the SCTA/BNI World
> Finals.
>
> 7. Another point of interest for the list: The SCTA/BNI certifies
> records established at the USFRA events. There are representatives for both
> motorcycle and car class at the event and certifications for the course and
> clocks are provided to the SCTA/BNI. This is just like we (the SCTA/BNI) do
> for the FIA when they come to World Finals and certify FIA records.
>
> Ok, so it was not short, but I think some of these points needed to be made.
> Fire back your questions!
>
> Mike Manghelli
> SCTA President
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nt788@aol.com <Nt788@aol.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: International Records
>
> >I think all records set at Bonneville should set on a track that is 7miles
> >long in one, or both directions. No extra distance for special people! FIA
> >states no distance requirements, it's what ever you can pay for, that's OK.
> >All other amateur venues, i:e El Mirage,Maxton, Muroc, Australia, England
> >ect.are their own business, but the distance's to establish records, should
> >remain constant for each. What rule says extra distance for some, at
> >Bonneville? Jack Costella
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