I have to agree with Keith. This proposal will not take anything away from
anybody or diminish current records or change rules, procedures etc. This is
simply a way of organizing ourselves into one INTERNATIONAL group.
The FIA is OK, I guess, but 98% of us don't run under FIA sanction, and
actually most can't run because the FIA doesn't have a class for us.
John Beckett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
To: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>; "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: International Records
> Before I read anything Else.... Howard.... I don't want to change anything
> at all...I respect your desire to keep things the way they were.... I
agree
> with you on the opposite direction thing.... I don't agree on the
qualifing
> pass as it's one of those things that someone stuck in there Later on to
> make getting in the Two Club harder... Someone out there give me a
History
> Lesson on record setting .... because in 1956 Donald Healey set a Record
> with a Two Way average and there is NO discussion in all the written
> documents on a Qualifing pass.
>
> This is Not making it easier...it's NOT putting folks in the Bonneville
Two
> Club...( thou they have opened the door for that discussion also).... To
the
> Best of my knowledge at Maxton it's happened exactly 4 times that someone
> has run over the Bonneville record..... Has anyone Ever run over the
Bville
> record at El Mirage? How bout Lake Gairdner?
>
> As I said in the begining.... I actually want to further the SCTA and
> Bonneville records... as they are in fact ... in my opinion World
Records...
> By further defining how one goes about setting an International Record I
> think we would find that Bonneville Is the Place to make that happen....
and
> obviously we have to live within the constraints of Real world Traffic
> control Problems on the Salt...... K
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>
> To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
<webmaster@landracing.com>
> Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:49 PM
> Subject: Re: International Records
>
>
> > Setting a record has always been defined as performing against a
standard.
> > The recognized standard in land speed racing has always been a two way
> > average across the same relative piece of real estate. You cannot claim
> any
> > record with a one way pass. Tail wind, down hill, etc. Why do we always
> want
> > to make it easier to set records? My records were set when you had to
make
> a
> > qualifying run over the record and then the two way pass in opposite
> > directions to get the record. I was not happy when they took the
> qualifying
> > pass out of the equation and I think all the recent records that have
been
> > set with two passes in the same direction should have an asterisk beside
> > them identifying that fact.
> > I will accept the fact that I am old fashioned and that they name
streets
> > after me. They are called "one Way"
> > I have even been called opinionated but what do those people know?
> >
> > Howard
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: International Records
> >
> >
> > > Okay Jon.... Relax and think a bit here.... don't jump to the same
> > > conclusions I jumped to.... I agreed with you up front.... but then
> Logic
> > > Prevailed... or at least that is my opinion... and YES I ASSUME lot's
of
> > > things....
> > >
> > > Here is the Truth as I know it with my car and ONLY my car... I run
> 15-18%
> > > faster at Bonneville then I do at Maxton. That gives a guy running
> > > Bonneville a 15% minimum advantage over me at Maxton.... Now if you do
> the
> > > same thing for Cars at El Mirage then I think you can come to the same
> > > conclusion that these Venues are not as Fast as Bonneville.... Let
> enough
> > of
> > > us go to Lake Gairdner and I think your going to find there is a Big
> > > advantage to running there with a 5 mile course at Virtual Sea
level....
> > >
> > > So what if you have to do it twice.... you have 5 times the room and
> less
> > > traction at a Higher Altitude and it's Proven to be a Faster course
then
> > all
> > > the others so far.... ( if the salt continues to improve it will be
even
> > > better still )
> > >
> > > My Point is if someone beats the Bonneville record somewhere else in a
> > Legal
> > > class car..... that person should hold the International record for
that
> > > class.... It's not going to change the Bonneville record.... only the
> > Level
> > > one has to go to at Bonneville to set the INTERNATIONAL record for
that
> > type
> > > of car.... Otherwise he would be setting a National record at
> > Bonneville....
> > > ( it would still qualify as a 2 club record as you set a record at
> > > Bonneville over Two Bills in my case ...( BIG HOPE HERE))
> > >
> > > That is the logic that I came down to.... Problem with making them
> > > consecutive is Time limitations for El Mirage and Muroc... they don't
> have
> > > adequate track surface and area to do back to back record runs....
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > > Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: International Records
> > >
> > >
> > > > Keith List,
> > > >
> > > > But the one thing all records at Bonneville and FIA records have
that
> > make
> > > them
> > > > more valuable and recognizable is the average of two speeds over the
> > same
> > > real
> > > > estate. Not just one run with a trap speeds. That has always been
the
> > > glory of
> > > > land speed racing, that not only did you only do it once, but twice,
> > over
> > > the
> > > > same real estate but that also shows durability with a motor thats
an
> > > important
> > > > factor, some can say they once did it, but bonneville records and
FIA
> > > records
> > > > show they did it twice within an allotted time period.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > www.landracing.com
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > www.landracing.com
> > > >
> > > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Okay Joe.... lets take that as an example then.... You say there
is
> a
> > > > > difference between say... Maxton and Bonneville.... and I happen
to
> > > > > agree.... at Bonneville you have 4 miles to get up to speed....
> where
> > is
> > > the
> > > > > challange compared to ONE mile and a 132' trap.... or at El Mirage
> on
> > > Dirt
> > > > > at 1.3 miles? or Muroc on Talcum Powder at 1.5 miles and a One
way
> > > average
> > > > > as the record.... Personally I think the short courses are
severaly
> > > > > disadvantaged over the Long Course at Bville.... shoot even the
> Short
> > > course
> > > > > is better.....
> > > > >
> > > > > Why not?
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