Okay Jon.... Relax and think a bit here.... don't jump to the same
conclusions I jumped to.... I agreed with you up front.... but then Logic
Prevailed... or at least that is my opinion... and YES I ASSUME lot's of
things....
Here is the Truth as I know it with my car and ONLY my car... I run 15-18%
faster at Bonneville then I do at Maxton. That gives a guy running
Bonneville a 15% minimum advantage over me at Maxton.... Now if you do the
same thing for Cars at El Mirage then I think you can come to the same
conclusion that these Venues are not as Fast as Bonneville.... Let enough of
us go to Lake Gairdner and I think your going to find there is a Big
advantage to running there with a 5 mile course at Virtual Sea level....
So what if you have to do it twice.... you have 5 times the room and less
traction at a Higher Altitude and it's Proven to be a Faster course then all
the others so far.... ( if the salt continues to improve it will be even
better still )
My Point is if someone beats the Bonneville record somewhere else in a Legal
class car..... that person should hold the International record for that
class.... It's not going to change the Bonneville record.... only the Level
one has to go to at Bonneville to set the INTERNATIONAL record for that type
of car.... Otherwise he would be setting a National record at Bonneville....
( it would still qualify as a 2 club record as you set a record at
Bonneville over Two Bills in my case ...( BIG HOPE HERE))
That is the logic that I came down to.... Problem with making them
consecutive is Time limitations for El Mirage and Muroc... they don't have
adequate track surface and area to do back to back record runs....
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
Cc: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: International Records
> Keith List,
>
> But the one thing all records at Bonneville and FIA records have that make
them
> more valuable and recognizable is the average of two speeds over the same
real
> estate. Not just one run with a trap speeds. That has always been the
glory of
> land speed racing, that not only did you only do it once, but twice, over
the
> same real estate but that also shows durability with a motor thats an
important
> factor, some can say they once did it, but bonneville records and FIA
records
> show they did it twice within an allotted time period.
>
> Jonathan Amo
> www.landracing.com
>
> Jonathan Amo
> www.landracing.com
>
> Keith Turk wrote:
>
> > Okay Joe.... lets take that as an example then.... You say there is a
> > difference between say... Maxton and Bonneville.... and I happen to
> > agree.... at Bonneville you have 4 miles to get up to speed.... where is
the
> > challange compared to ONE mile and a 132' trap.... or at El Mirage on
Dirt
> > at 1.3 miles? or Muroc on Talcum Powder at 1.5 miles and a One way
average
> > as the record.... Personally I think the short courses are severaly
> > disadvantaged over the Long Course at Bville.... shoot even the Short
course
> > is better.....
> >
> > Why not?
> >
> > Keith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: International Records
> >
> > > Keith, lets at least compare One miles average speeds to One mile
average
> > > speeds, I definately dont try and compare what the magazines run at
the
> > end of a
> > > straightaway with a radar gun to maintaining the speed for a minimum
of a
> > mile
> > > speed trap, in that case we could just take NHRA trap speeds, I am not
> > into
> > > comparing a 60 ft speed trap to a 5280 ft speed trap
> > >
> > > Joe :)
> > >
> > > Keith Turk wrote:
> > >
> > > > A couple of us have been bantering about the Idea of what constitues
an
> > > > International record... ( World record )
> > > >
> > > > When you can open up your mind a bit .... it really helps you gain
some
> > > > perspective on what is going on the world of Land Speed Racing...
Let
> > me
> > > > give you a couple of generally accepted statements... and we can
banter
> > this
> > > > subject around again.... it's been fun for me as I really had to
admit
> > that
> > > > Maybe I do care how a record is thought of LONG TERM....
> > > >
> > > > 1. The SCTA currently is the oldest established authority here in
> > America
> > > > for LSR... we view the rules and procedures as Ways of catagorizing
cars
> > and
> > > > classes for the Most Part.
> > > >
> > > > 2. The FIA is recognized as the Authority for establishing an
> > International
> > > > Record in a Given Class by thier Rules... ( very liberal Rules...
Very
> > Few
> > > > Classes )
> > > >
> > > > 3. We also have EVENT records for Places like El Mirage and
Muroc... as
> > > > well as Maxton.... and Don't forget the Dry Lakes racers in
> > Austraila....who
> > > > operate under SCTA rules.
> > > >
> > > > Lets all agree that for the Most Part the fastest Place to run so
far
> > has
> > > > been Bonneville.... with the notable exception of the Jet cars at
Black
> > rock
> > > > .... But for us.... most of the records have been established under
> > SCTA
> > > > rules at Bonneville..... There are exceptions to that and it is in
these
> > > > that I find a place for something New.... Lets look at Tim Schoeny
and
> > his
> > > > Honda... at Maxton... were he Broke the Record and Ran over the
> > Bonneville
> > > > speed.... That record in my opinion is an international Record....
even
> > > > thou it was set at Maxton. If he had done the same thing at El
Mirage I
> > > > would consider it a world record as well..... Think about John
Rains
> > times
> > > > at El Mirage.... if he hadn't run the car at Bonneville he would
have
> > been
> > > > Well over the Old Bville records.... those in my opinion would be
> > > > international records....
> > > >
> > > > I think eventually we will be saying the same things about Lake
> > Gairdner....
> > > >
> > > > My Point is that if you want the International Record then you need
to
> > run
> > > > where your best afforded that opportunity and it needs to be
sanctioned
> > by
> > > > an established Body.... Is that authority the SCTA? what do you
guys
> > think?
> > > >
> > > > Keith ( it's a Big Pot and needs Stiring...)
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