Ugo & List,
I think you're about 99.9% right Ugo. The only thing I'm not sure of is that
I don't think the 332mph record that Jim Feuling set was an FIM record but a
Land Speed Authority (LSA) record. Assuming that they use the same
definitions as the FIM, a 'motorcycle' can have three wheels. The FIM define
three types of motorcycle depending on how many tracks it produces.
1. What you or I would call a motorcycle (i.e. two wheels) produces one
track - in theory there is nothing stopping you from having three or more
wheels as long as they are in line. Could twin rear wheels be used to help
with traction perhaps?
2. A motorcycle and sidecar producing two tracks
3. A cyclecar producing three tracks - it is in this class that Feuling
ran.
As far as the Summers/Teague/Vesco thing goes you are spot on Ugo. I've
often wondered why Al hasn't publicised his kilo record more - 409 is very
impressive for one-engine and two-wheel drive but 425.050 is even more so!
As far as mile or kilo precedence goes, faster kilo records have often been
overlooked - one famous example of the opposite was in 1906 when Fred
Marriot did 127 for the mile and 121 for the kilo in the Stanley Steamer.
For some reason only the slower kilo record was recognised - probably to
show some pity on the competition who had been blown into the weeds!
Mike Jenkins
----- Original Message -----
From: Ugo Fadini <ugo@ugofadini.com>
To: Jonathan Amo <webmaster@landracing.com>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Can you clarify
> Joe (and list),
>
> if I remember well, the Feuling 'liner was a 3-wheeler when it set
> the FIM record (FIM caters for 2 and 3 wheeler records, FIA for 4 or
> more), so it is actually a different record than the Easyriders.
>
> Re Vesco, Teague (and Summers, etc): I just posted an article on my
> new web site that tries to make things clear and give everyone a
> chance to decide for themselves who holds the so-called "wheel
> driven" record. You are welcome to read it at
> http://www.ugofadini.com/lsrwd.html.
> (Incidentally, you may want to visit the whole site, it's not just
> about my models, there are stories about the real cars etc).
>
> Here is a recap, anyway:
> - Don Vesco holds the fastest SCTA Bonneville record for a turbine
streamliner
> - Donald Campbell holds the FIA International record for turbine
> vehicles (Mile and kilo)
> - Al Teague holds the fastest SCTA Bonneville record for a piston
> engined streamliner
> - Al Teague holds the FIA International record for blown piston
> engined vehicles (Mile and kilo) (same figure as SCTA record on the
> mile)
> - Bob Summers holds the FIA International record for unblown piston
> engined vehicles (Mile and kilo)
>
> - Nobody holds the "wheel-driven" record because no authority
> sanctions it as such.
> - Al Teague should be considered the holder of the so-called
> "wheel-driven" record if you accept the FIA rules, because he holds
> the fastest Intl. record for any wheel-driven vehicle.
> - Bob Summers could still be considered the holder of the so-called
> "wheel-driven" record if you accept the FIA rules but only if you
> also think that the minimum 1% increment rule enforced by the FIA
> should apply to a record that does not exist as such. (Summers' and
> Teague's records both stand officially as Intl. records in two
> different Groups and Teague's is faster, albeit just fractionally -
> on the kilo though, it was MUCH faster)
> - Don Vesco holds the so-called "wheel-driven" record if you only
> accept the SCTA rules and do not care about the FIA, or if you do but
> think the differences are not relevant and you just pick up the
> fastest record, whoever sanctioned it.
>
> Note: FIA rules are more restrictive than SCTA, so the FIA record is
> generally more difficult to achieve than SCTA's (main stipulations
> are that you have to do the return run within an hour and always in
> the opposite direction over the same measured base). Since we are
> talking about vehicles belonging in the "unlimited" classes of either
> rule book, this is the only difference to be considered and we can
> leave aside the recurrent complaints about classes etc).
>
> Hope the above will help you have a clearer view of the situation. If
> not... well, at least I tried!!
>
> Ugo Fadini
>
>
> >List,
> >
> >Woudering who on the list can clarify something for me.
> >Lets talk about Jim Feuling and the Easyriders motorcycle streamliners.
> >Most would say that Easyriders hold the motorcycle record at 322 mph,
> >but Jim Feuling did in fact set an FIA record with the Feuling liner at
> >332 mph. Was there an issue with rules on this between the two
> >sanctioning bodies? Even when Bubent Enterprises when for the record in
> >Australia last here he mentioned only of the Easyrider record he was
> >going after?
> >I imagine its a confrontation of how one looks at the record as in the
> >wheel driven record of Vesco the Teague. Vesco using Turbine power while
> >Teague uses pistons?
> >Any info would be appreciated.
> >
> >Jonathan Amo
> >www.landracing.com
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