We use to go motorcycle riding in the mountains around old mining /ghost
towns. The leftover tailing piles/hills were fun to practice riding straight
up and down - hopefully not crashing. We had full riding gear so falling
wasn't much of a problem. (Or else I've been darn lucky.) Boots were a
necessity as I have gotten my leg caught between the exhaust and wheel a time
or two during some unsheduled stunt acts. Had plenty of experience crashing
and falling off my snowmobile that I've learned how to fall without getting too
bruised. Snowmobiling is our winter passtime. Sure helps pass those drab
months waiting for the racing season to begin. Yup, Ed has trained me well.
Cris in cloudy, 35 degree Salt Lake.
"Clay, Dale" wrote:
> Right Chris, it hurts a lot less when the gravity gust thing happens! Plus
> sideways is fun!
>
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cris Shearer [mailto:cshearer@tacisp.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:50 PM
> To: Dick J
> Cc: Clay, Dale; 'Joe Amo'; 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny;
> Skip Higginbotham; John Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Harleys other motorcycles
>
> Motorcycles bring back fond memories. Ed had a Harley Sportster in the
> Army. He later taught me to ride his 500 Triumph. (I knew he loved me
> when he let me ride his bike). Then we moved on to dirt bikes. Then he
> bought me a 1000cc Kawasaki. I much prefer riding and playing in the
> dirt. Cris, Salty Lake
>
> Dick J wrote:
>
> > Bravo. I agree with you 100%. If there was only
> > one moddel car and one model motorcycle available
> > in the world, think what a boring place it would
> > be. I have raced and ridden 2 strokes, 4
> > strokes, singles, twins, multies, Japanese,
> > American, Brit and European bikes! There is no
> > way to say there is a "best" - they are all
> > different with different strengths and
> > weaknesses. It's like comparing apples and
> > oranges. If you want an orange, don't get an
> > apple.
> >
> > Even now, I've got a Harley, two vintage
> > two-strokes, a BMW and a vintage Kawasaki in my
> > shed.
> >
> > Dick J
> >
> > --- "Clay, Dale" <Dale.Clay@mdhelicopters.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I'd like to appologize to anyone offended by my
> > > PS. My real point was
> > > everyone should be doing their own thing.
> > > There has been too much "us vs.
> > > them" in motorcycles both ways.
> > >
> > > I've owned and raced Japanse, European AND
> > > American bikes, carts and cars.
> > > I make no judgements on what anybody here does.
> > > I enjoy the diversity.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe Amo [mailto:jkamo@rapidnet.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:33 PM
> > > To: Clay, Dale
> > > Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny;
> > > Skip Higginbotham; John
> > > Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > >
> > >
> > > """PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still
> > > running strong. When was the
> > > last
> > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the
> > > street? Yeah, a few maybe
> > > and that's cool when you do. """
> > >
> > > THE POINT BEING, THOSE JAP BIKES YOU SEE THAT
> > > OLD RUNNING AROUND, HAVE NOT
> > > BEEN
> > > APART, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT 50 YR OLD MOTOR
> > > BEEN APART?, and you must
> > > realize that 20 yr old Kaw (and other jap
> > > stuff) has run with turbos
> > > (Charlie
> > > Toy, Don Vesco) with nearly ALL stock internals
> > > from 230 to 330 mph!!!!
> > >
> > > AND when you compare the hp per liter engine
> > > size vs miles between rebuilds,
> > > well...........................
> > >
> > > Joe (knowing full well why Harley Factory
> > > offers a MOTOR rebuild program for
> > > the
> > > NEW EVO motors) Amo
> > >
> > > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled,
> > > push rod guys. Your same
> > > > arguments could apply to flatheads, but I
> > > don't want them to go away!
> > > > Different strokes, ya know ...
> > > >
> > > > Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red
> > > Line, Amsoil, Mobile 1, etc.)
> > > > and do just fine. One reason I suspect
> > > Harley doesn't want you running
> > > > synthetics is they have oil refined for them
> > > under their own label and a
> > > lot
> > > > of the new Harley riders are afraid to use
> > > anything not recommended by The
> > > > Motor Company (emphasis added).
> > > >
> > > > I'm really glad to see this string take off,
> > > good stuff.
> > > >
> > > > Dale
> > > >
> > > > PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still
> > > running strong. When was the
> > > last
> > > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on
> > > the street? Yeah, a few maybe
> > > > and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like
> > > women; some like tall blondes,
> > > > some red heads with freckles, some even like
> > > the round sort. Vive le
> > > > difference!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dave Dahlgren
> > > [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> > > > To: Ed Van Scoy
> > > > Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
> > > Beckett;
> > > > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > > >
> > > > Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys
> > > built are still on
> > > > the road today don't you?
> > > > It's because the other 10% made it home in
> > > one piece.......
> > > > Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that
> > > they pretty much
> > > > race against themselves. They quote #'s like
> > > 120 hp for a
> > > > hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid
> > > in a old
> > > > Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they
> > > might want to
> > > > swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun
> > > piece..
> > > >
> > > > And a quiz question for the list what is the
> > > largest engine
> > > > builder in the world in volume of engines
> > > sold per year
> > > > sheer number of engines..
> > > > Dave Dahlgren
> > > >
> > > > Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory
> > > filled with Mobil 1 synthetic, so
> > > > they
> > > > > obviously aren't worried about break-in.
> > > Since we are on this topic,
> > > > question for
> > > > > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic
> > > oil? Reason I ask is there is
> > > a
> > > > raging
> > > > > argument in the Harley world about pros &
> > > cons of synthetics. Mobil 1
> > > > already makes
> > > > > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots
> > > of manufacturers use
> > > > semi-synthetic from
> > > > > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty
> > > if they find it in your
> > > > bike........For
> > > > > some reason the manual says that if you
> > > find the oil level low on your
> > > > Harley &
> > > > > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil!
> > > Can any of you lube-gurus
> > > > explain that
> > > > > to me?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > tim schoeny wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My cam grinder and short block builder
> > > both recommend "conventional"
> > > oil
> > > > for
> > > > > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic
> > > for racing..Honda rings take
> > > > forever to
> > > > > > seat and starting out with syn. is not
> > > recommended.Just what I do.
> > > > > >
> > > Tim
> > > > Schoeny
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a
> > > new engine's oil it will take
> > > > about 5
> > > > > > > times longer to break the rings in.
> > > Guess where the benefit is?
> > > Better
> > > > > > > lubrication.
> > > > > > > S
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not true, John.
> > > > > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer
> > > but there is no reason not to
> > > > use the
> > > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic
> > > oils of any kind are a NO NO
> > > in
> > > > new
> > > > > > > >componets. They do not allow the
> > > proper break-in to take place, and
> > > > should
> > > > > > > >only be used in components after the
> > > normal break-in has been
> > > > finished.
> > > > > > > >What say ye?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >John Beckett
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > > >To: "Chris R Harris"
> > > <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > > > > >Cc: "land-speed"
> > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
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