Harley may have the record but every year it is getting darn closer to being
lost. Cris.
"Clay, Dale" wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Amo [mailto:jkamo@rapidnet.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:24 PM
> To: Clay, Dale
> Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
> Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Additives
>
> Dale, come on now, its not us vs them!! You hit the nail on the head,
> this
> world takes all kinds of everything!! Who owns the all out bike record (not
> counting Fueling)? Yes Harley!! Even though the imports (bikes) provide
> superior engineering, it does not necessarily make them BETTER bikes, its
> all
> in the eye/feeling of the OWNER.
>
> Joe (I make judgements ALL the time, and on many occassions, should keep
> them to
> myself, just ask my wife) Amo
>
> "Clay, Dale" wrote:
>
> > I'd like to appologize to anyone offended by my PS. My real point was
> > everyone should be doing their own thing. There has been too much "us vs.
> > them" in motorcycles both ways.
> >
> > I've owned and raced Japanse, European AND American bikes, carts and cars.
> > I make no judgements on what anybody here does. I enjoy the diversity.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Amo [mailto:jkamo@rapidnet.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:33 PM
> > To: Clay, Dale
> > Cc: 'Dave Dahlgren'; Ed Van Scoy; tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John
> > Beckett; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: Additives
> >
> > """PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong. When was the
> > last
> > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a few maybe
> > and that's cool when you do. """
> >
> > THE POINT BEING, THOSE JAP BIKES YOU SEE THAT OLD RUNNING AROUND, HAVE NOT
> > BEEN
> > APART, HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT 50 YR OLD MOTOR BEEN APART?, and you must
> > realize that 20 yr old Kaw (and other jap stuff) has run with turbos
> > (Charlie
> > Toy, Don Vesco) with nearly ALL stock internals from 230 to 330 mph!!!!
> >
> > AND when you compare the hp per liter engine size vs miles between
> rebuilds,
> > well...........................
> >
> > Joe (knowing full well why Harley Factory offers a MOTOR rebuild program
> for
> > the
> > NEW EVO motors) Amo
> >
> > "Clay, Dale" wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Dave, take it easy on us old air cooled, push rod guys. Your same
> > > arguments could apply to flatheads, but I don't want them to go away!
> > > Different strokes, ya know ...
> > >
> > > Plenty of race Harley's run synthetics (Red Line, Amsoil, Mobile 1,
> etc.)
> > > and do just fine. One reason I suspect Harley doesn't want you running
> > > synthetics is they have oil refined for them under their own label and a
> > lot
> > > of the new Harley riders are afraid to use anything not recommended by
> The
> > > Motor Company (emphasis added).
> > >
> > > I'm really glad to see this string take off, good stuff.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > PS: I've got a 50 year old Harley, still running strong. When was the
> > last
> > > time you saw even a 20 year old Kawasaki on the street? Yeah, a few
> maybe
> > > and that's cool when you do. Hey it's like women; some like tall
> blondes,
> > > some red heads with freckles, some even like the round sort. Vive le
> > > difference!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Dahlgren [mailto:ddahlgren@snet.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:30 AM
> > > To: Ed Van Scoy
> > > Cc: tim schoeny; Skip Higginbotham; John Beckett;
> > > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: Additives
> > >
> > > Ed you do realize why 90% or all harleys built are still on
> > > the road today don't you?
> > > It's because the other 10% made it home in one piece.......
> > > Aren't these the engines so ineffiecnt that they pretty much
> > > race against themselves. They quote #'s like 120 hp for a
> > > hot rod piece at 110 inches.. geez some kid in a old
> > > Kawasaki street bike can out run that..they might want to
> > > swap that thing out for Chucks old datsun piece..
> > >
> > > And a quiz question for the list what is the largest engine
> > > builder in the world in volume of engines sold per year
> > > sheer number of engines..
> > > Dave Dahlgren
> > >
> > > Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, Corvette comes from the factory filled with Mobil 1 synthetic,
> so
> > > they
> > > > obviously aren't worried about break-in. Since we are on this topic,
> > > question for
> > > > bike guys (or others) Do you use synthetic oil? Reason I ask is there
> is
> > a
> > > raging
> > > > argument in the Harley world about pros & cons of synthetics. Mobil 1
> > > already makes
> > > > an air-cooled engine synthetic.......Lots of manufacturers use
> > > semi-synthetic from
> > > > the factory. Harley will void your warrenty if they find it in your
> > > bike........For
> > > > some reason the manual says that if you find the oil level low on your
> > > Harley &
> > > > Harley oil isn't available, use diesel oil! Can any of you lube-gurus
> > > explain that
> > > > to me?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > tim schoeny wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My cam grinder and short block builder both recommend "conventional"
> > oil
> > > for
> > > > > break-in and then(if you want) synthetic for racing..Honda rings
> take
> > > forever to
> > > > > seat and starting out with syn. is not recommended.Just what I do.
> > > > >
> > Tim
> > > Schoeny
> > > > >
> > > > > Skip Higginbotham wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, if you put Pro-blend in a new engine's oil it will
> take
> > > about 5
> > > > > > times longer to break the rings in. Guess where the benefit is?
> > Better
> > > > > > lubrication.
> > > > > > S
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not true, John.
> > > > > > Break-in should take about 10% longer but there is no reason not
> to
> > > use the
> > > > > > oil.
> > > > > > Skip Higginbotham
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 01:58 PM 1/10/01 , you wrote:
> > > > > > >It was my understanding the synthitic oils of any kind are a NO
> NO
> > in
> > > new
> > > > > > >componets. They do not allow the proper break-in to take place,
> and
> > > should
> > > > > > >only be used in components after the normal break-in has been
> > > finished.
> > > > > > >What say ye?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >John Beckett
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "DOUG ODOM" <popms@thegrid.net>
> > > > > > >To: "Chris R Harris" <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > > > >Cc: "land-speed" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:23 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Additives
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Chris; Slick 50 is nothing more than Dupont Teflon repackaged.
> In
> > > the
> > > > > > >> states we can buy the K-mart teflon for less money and it's the
> > > same
> > > > > > >> thing. A friend of mine did some testing with mobil one and
> > teflon
> > > on
> > > > > > >> the dyno. He said he made the most power with one Quart mobil
> one
> > > and
> > > > > > >> five quarts teflon. The bearings never took a hit. I thought
> > about
> > > using
> > > > > > >> it myself instead of straight mobil one but I guess I lack the
> > > testicle
> > > > > > >> fortitude. I have used Amsoil in transmissions and rear ends
> with
> > > good
> > > > > > >> luck but the one time I tried it in a motor it started to wear
> > the
> > > > > > >> bearings. Change back to Valvoline 50w and the bearings
> > > (vandervell) ran
> > > > > > >> all season with no wear. Just my 2 cents worth.
> > > > > > >> Doug Odom in big ditch
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Chris R Harris wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Compliments of the season to all on the list, thinking
> > > positively, 2001
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > >> > going to be a great year.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > New subject additives. What is the lists opinion on the
> > subject,
> > > do you
> > > > > > >have a
> > > > > > >> > favorite, are they strictly 'mouse milk', most certainly
> don't
> > > stack up
> > > > > > >to
> > > > > > >> > the claims made, some definitely do help. The one I use in my
> > > manual
> > > > > > >trans and
> > > > > > >> > diff on the roadster (definitely not the engine though) is
> > Slick
> > > 50. My
> > > > > > >> > experience here was using a heavy rotary slasher on the farm.
> > > Powered by
> > > > > > >a 100
> > > > > > >> > hp tractor, these very basic slashers swinging a heavy hub
> with
> > 4
> > > > > > >swinging
> > > > > > >> > blades, had a simple right angle bevel gear box between the
> PTO
> > > shaft
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > >> > blade. In heavy going that box would get stink'in hot,
> couldn't
> > > touch
> > > > > > >it,
> > > > > > >> > always used the recommended oil. The addition of Slick made a
> > > huge
> > > > > > >reduction
> > > > > > >> > in box temperature, thats what convinced me it was doing its
> > job.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Lets hear your opinion including others like good assembly
> > lubes
> > > or
> > > > > > >other
> > > > > > >> > special brews you have for particular purposes, there has to
> be
> > > plenty
> > > > > > >out
> > > > > > >> > there.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Chris Harris New Zealand..
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