Kvack.... I like your logic here.... But lets define a pretty weld as one
that has total penatration and is a Proper weld... not under cut and not
sitting on top... both of those will break...
Trust me I own industrial equipment in my rock shop and my hero's out back
can bust about anything.... That ole Vibrator is in about the worst
environment you have ever seen.... and I have repaired my own Junk welds
that might have been pretty so I know what your saying....
The one good thing about the stick is that you can in fact get penatration
into Heavy Metal with a cheap buzz box.... Something that is about
impossible with a Cheap Mig welder... though Brad and I have done some
amazing work with my SP 100....
The Tig can get some amazing heat in a piece of metal... I have done some
3/8ths plate with my 245 square wave Tig and it will get both sides of the
weld truly hot.... for real penatration...
Brad took a class in this whole deal and comes by and gives me pointers....
it's amazing what I can learn from a single comment....
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Butters Family" <bbutters@dmi.net>
To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Dick J" <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; "John
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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: Welding skills
> Well just my two cents worth, I work around and with farm machinery,
> takes a beating as you can well imagine. For years I have been fixing
> pretty welds that break, no doubt made with TIGS and Migs. My feeling is
> that it is all to easy to make nice looking welds with these things that
are
> not strong, little actual penetration into the base structure. I'm sure
> they can be structurally sound if properly done, I just don't trust the
> welds on anything structural. So You guessed it my frame and roll cage is
> don with ugly old stick welding and I feel a ton safer with it. Am I alone
> in this ? Kvach
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>
> To: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>; John Linville <bellytk@nh.ultranet.com>;
> <FastmetalBDF@aol.com>; <ardunbill@webtv.net>; <DaCudaKid@aol.com>;
> <bigsid@webtv.net>; <bk185@lafn.org>; <BJGAYLE@aol.com>;
<LITNMAN@aol.com>;
> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:28 AM
> Subject: Welding skills
>
>
> > We kinda brought up welding skills last night.... I was sitting there
> > looking at something I tig welded the other day...
> >
> > I was kinda amazed I had welded it... very nice looking weld.... but it
> was
> > the last of many on the same thing.... shoot give anyone of us enough
> > Practice and we can learn to do anything....
> >
> > Joe Timney had said something about only using a Tig welder and not even
> > owning a Wire feed box..... In my case I loaned my Mig to the Rock
> business
> > and just haven't got around to taking it home.... so everything I have
> > welded lately has been Tig work... I am beginning to see why Joe likes
> > this thing so much....
> >
> > on the other side of the fence.... I saw a new LSR car the other night
> that
> > was put together with a Stick welder.... man there was nothing pretty
> about
> > that.... It was welded.. and the welds were GOOD.... but wow it was
ugly.
> >
> > Just a side light on a Boring day..... K
> > ----------
> > > From: Dick J <lsr_man@yahoo.com>
> > > To: John Linville <bellytk@nh.ultranet.com>; FastmetalBDF@aol.com;
> > ardunbill@webtv.net; DaCudaKid@aol.com; bigsid@webtv.net;
bk185@lafn.org;
> > BJGAYLE@aol.com; LITNMAN@aol.com; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > Subject: Re: Arduns Big and Little
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:17 AM
> > >
> > > I got to see a tin sided V-8 60 when I visited
> > > Phil Landry's house with Gary Ferstl last summer.
> > > They had one sitting in the driveway and I got
> > > to take a good look at it. The most awsome thing
> > > about this little motor is the welding which
> > > holds the tin sides to the cast block. The welds
> > > are so perfect that they look like a long zipper.
> > > When I think of the equipment and technology
> > > that was available to do that welding back in the
> > > thirties, I recognize that the welding is a great
> > > tribute to the man who did it. He was a true
> > > artist!
> > >
> > > Dick J
> > > --- John Linville <bellytk@nh.ultranet.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > surprised no one has brought up (or I missed
> > > > it) that fact that V8-60s came
> > > > in two flavors, regular cast iron block and
> > > > "tin sided" (furnace brazed I
> > > > believe). Friend of mine here in NH has a tin
> > > > sided motor. Would look neat
> > > > with the sides all polished up and some Eddie
> > > > Meyer goodies. Stuff still
> > > > turns up. My racing partner was at home last
> > > > year and a guy showed up,
> > > > wanted to sell a 24 stud 3x2 intake, a pair of
> > > > early 24 stud heads, a pair
> > > > of Eddie Meyer V8-60 heads and a knock off 2x2
> > > > V8-60 intake, just like Eddie
> > > > Meyers but with no name on it. Guy took $50
> > > > for all the stuff and was happy
> > > > as a clam. Ya never know. Then theres Ronnie
> > > > Roadster down in Connecticut
> > > > who has a V8-60, probably a marine motor, with
> > > > four one barrel carburetors
> > > > and a rack type carb linkage. He bought it at
> > > > a yard sale in his local
> > > > area. Or Ronnie's second Ardun that he found
> > > > in Syracuse. Seems he was at
> > > > York, PA NSRA meet with his Ardun deuce
> > > > roadster and someone commented he
> > > > thought there was one of "those" engines in the
> > > > Pennysaver want ads in his
> > > > home town. Sure enough in the Syracuse, NY
> > > > pennysaver there was an ad for a
> > > > "ford hemi". Was probably a stock car motor
> > > > from central NY. Had all the
> > > > racing Ardun goodies like C&T rocker shaft
> > > > supports, etc.
> > > >
> > > > John in NH where the sun came out today and
> > > >
> > > > the 18" of snow started melting on the roof
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: FastmetalBDF@aol.com
> > > > <FastmetalBDF@aol.com>
> > > > To: ardunbill@webtv.net <ardunbill@webtv.net>;
> > > > DaCudaKid@aol.com
> > > > <DaCudaKid@aol.com>; bigsid@webtv.net
> > > > <bigsid@webtv.net>; bk185@lafn.org
> > > > <bk185@lafn.org>; BJGAYLE@aol.com
> > > > <BJGAYLE@aol.com>; LITNMAN@aol.com
> > > > <LITNMAN@aol.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:58 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Arduns Big and Little
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bill, thanks for all the good
> > > > specifications you sent along . These
> > > > >V8 60s only came in the passenger cars and
> > > > some panel trucks,
> > > > >surprisingly enough . I do not know if any of
> > > > the panel trucks had the
> > > > >round tubular style front axles that replaced
> > > > the I - beam type axle in
> > > > >most, if not all, of the passenger cars with
> > > > the V8 60 motor .
> > > > > My second car, bought in 1954, was a
> > > > shiny black ' 39 Standard
> > > > >coupe with the " little brother " 60 motor and
> > > > tube axle .
> > > > > These axles were often seen in hot rods
> > > > of the fifties as they looked
> > > > >great when chromed ...... all I know is I have
> > > > often wished I still owned
> > > > >that little jewel, but I do have one excellent
> > > > condition complete V8 60,
> > > > >and a spare short block with a thrown rod
> > > > jammed in it which is in real
> > > > >tough shape .
> > > > > I got the block in trade for two rough
> > > > doors from a ' 28 coupe that
> > > > >also was a basket case ...... a fair swap, I
> > > > guess .
> > > > > Bruce, trying to remember if west coast
> > > > pioneer rodder Ray Brown
> > > > >ever ran those rare little Ardun heads on any
> > > > of his lakes cars .......
> > > > > I seem to recall Jerauld's Automotive in
> > > > San Diego ran a bellytank
> > > > >or roadster with a V8 60 waaaay back in the
> > > > days of Paradise Mesa
> > > > >drag strip . Longtime Bonneville salt rat
> > > > Carroll " Redeye " Gentry,
> > > > >in his 70s and still on the crew of a fuel
> > > > modified roadster, told me
> > > > >at Speedweek that Jerauld's was still in
> > > > business in the San Diego
> > > > >area ...... for fifty years or more now !
> > > > > Bruce on the same cold coast as
> > > you
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