Dan Warriner; This sounds good. What do you think the board will say? Rich
PS will this be legal in Vintage categories?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Jenkins <MikeJ@speedrecordclub.softnet.co.uk>
To: LSR List <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: cooling
>Hmm, a turbo-compound LSR vehicle! Don't think I've ever heard of one being
>mooted before. Would it run as blown or as a turbine, or both? The only
>proposed motor sport application that I've ever heard of was back in the
mid
>'80s when AustinRover were considering developing one for their Metro 6R4
>Rally car for its Group 'S' life but the class was banned before it began.
>
>There was a development programme in the '50s on a marine turbo-compound
>engine over here in Britain based on the Napier Deltic engine. Not only did
>it almost double the power output of the engine but it also had a system of
>'afterburning' for short-periods where very high power was required. This
>worked by squirting more fuel and air into the exhaust system upstream of
>the turbine, and gave an almost unbelievable increase in power - from
memory
>it was another 60 or 70 percent! Now that would be difficult to legislate
>for in the rules!!
>
>Mike Jenkins
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Richard Fox <v4gr@rcn.com>
>To: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
>Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:52 PM
>Subject: Re: cooling
>
>
>> Joe; well that's a concern, although I have worked on lots of twin
>ignition
>> engines of large size with plugs on opposite sides of cylinders. Even
>flown
>> long distances over water using such a system. I also liked the
>> Turbo-compound feature of the 3350 Wright Cyclone. Dan is that legal?.
>Rich
>> Fox
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
>> To: Richard Fox <v4gr@rcn.com>
>> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 08:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: cooling
>>
>>
>> >Are you trying to create detonation ? Just curious, sounds
>> >dangerous to me
>> >Joe ( I can show you how to bend rods) Amo :)
>> >
>> >Richard Fox wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have been trying to send this for awhile, maybe it will work this
>time.
>> >> I'm making chips doing a billet aluminum head for my 32 Plymouth.
>> Converting
>> >> back to "L" head. I plan no water jacket mostly because its easier
that
>> way.
>> >> My thought is there is no exhaust passage in the head and it will have
>16
>> >> fins 1/8 thick by 3/4 tall with 3/8 gaps between them. Any input on
>this
>> >> plan, informed or otherwise, is encouraged. Also I will be using two
10
>> mm
>> >> sparkplugs one in the normal place next to the exhaust valve and one
>over
>> >> the bore. Thought it would be interesting to vary the timing between
>them
>> to
>> >> see what happens. I am sure all of this was done 50 years ago but it
>> keeps
>> >> me busy. Rich Fox
>> >> -----Original MessageCc: land-speed@autox.team.net
>> >> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> >> Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 05:18 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: cooling
>> >>
>> >> >I don't often weigh in on the tech stuff, but we had Ed Pink give us
>> some
>> >> >input to this cooling deal. Ed states that you can't have too much
>> water,
>> >> >all nooks and cranies must be filled to avoid any chance of hot spots
>> which
>> >> >can lead to detonation. We currently use two 12 volt pumps at the
>water
>> >> >tank. The ouput of these pumps feed into a sprint car centrifugal
pump
>> >> >driven off the crank. There is a thermostat in the line also to aid
in
>> >> >keeping the temp constant.
>> >> >
>> >> >Dan (real cool) Warner
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
>> >> >To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; Land Speed List
>> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> >> >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:13 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: cooling
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Now here is an interesting bit of info: A good standard water pump
>> flows
>> >> >> about 100 gpm, a NASCAR pump flows 180 gpm. The best electric pump
I
>> have
>> >> >> found flows only about 30 gpm.
>> >> >> So now if your flow starts off at thirty gpm it ain't gonna be
>> anywhere
>> >> >near
>> >> >> close to the 35 gpm needed at the exit point.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> John Beckett, LSR #79,
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
>> >> >> To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; "Land Speed
List"
>> >> >> <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 9:12 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: cooling
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On your Recommendation I spent an hour on the phone yesterday
with
>> Carl
>> >> >> > Adams... of Adams Pumps..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Carl is a LSR fan... and a Nascar Cooling specialist... it was a
>> >> >> fascinating
>> >> >> > conversation and I look forward to hanging out with him on the
>> 28th....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > He was saying what we needed was a Minimum of 35 gallons of Flow
>per
>> >> >> Minute
>> >> >> > and that the Water Must in fact Flow through all the Block.. not
>> just
>> >> >the
>> >> >> > Front... Back cylinders are often stagnant.... He was a BIG FAN
>of
>> >> >> > Thermostats.... saying they need to be VERY HIGH.... like 190 or
>> so....
>> >> >he
>> >> >> > wanted the Water Temp to be in the 210 range to Make Power...
>saying
>> >> >there
>> >> >> > was 80hp difference in one of his applications between 160 and
210
>> >> >> > degrees...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > His other Big Comment was that the Pump needed to be Measured not
>at
>> >> the
>> >> >> > Pump but through the Block.... at the outlet.... anything else is
>> just
>> >> >> > guessing at what the actual flow through the restrictions really
>> is...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I can't remember all the conversation but like you John... I was
>> very
>> >> >> > impressed with the guys knowledge of Cooling.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Keith
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
>> >> >> > To: "Land Speed List" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 8:14 AM
>> >> >> > Subject: cooling
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > OK, thought I would give Keith a break and start a new thread.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > My big question is how important is the cooling system to HP?
>and
>> >> >> > longevity?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Have had several problems with melted pistons over the years.
>And
>> I
>> >> >> > thought
>> >> >> > > they were due to none cooling related problems (probably were).
>> But
>> >> >now
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > > wonder if the cooling system was of a better design whether the
>> >> >pistons
>> >> >> > > would have ultimately melted (or at least melted as quickly).
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > So (on a SB Chevy) how much water flow (gpm) is required for
>> proper
>> >> >> > cooling?
>> >> >> > > Can you have to much flow?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What's the preferred pump: belt driven or electric? How much HP
>> does
>> >> a
>> >> >> > belt
>> >> >> > > driven pump use vs. an alternator to drive all the electrical
>> >> >> accessories.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Should you run a thermostat? and at what temp? or just a
>> restrictor?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Is it better to design a LSR cooling system based on Drag
Racing
>> or
>> >> >> > NASCAR?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What's up with reverse flow systems? don't see many in grass
>roots
>> >> >> racing.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > John Beckett
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