George,
A car or bike must be presented for inspection in as raced configuration for
class. One purpose for impound after a qualifying pass is to retech the
car/bike for correct classification. Tom was correct in denying the record
if the bike was out of class.
One fallibility in our system is that our limited number of tech people
mostly arrive several days ahead of the competitors to do the physical labor
of setting up the facilities to operate the meet in the most efficient
manner possible. They also assist in the tear down at the end of the meet.
So some of us actually spend twice the time at Speedweek than the racers. As
you can imagine sometimes these people may be a little worn out and could
possibly overlook something such as peg placement. Remember that some of
these guys are retired and may not be as sharp as they were 30 years ago. We
rely on the competitors to police their classes in order to assist us in
maintaining the integrity of our records.
George, please do not feel bad about pointing out the error on another's
bike. These are the things that make our racing better for all.
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: Crim <gwcrim@usa.com>
To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Attracting new comers/ Classes
> Dan
>
> The bike in question had footpegs in the A class location but was
> running in M. Tom Evans did not let the record stand but when the
> bike was initially teched, that should have been pointed out. I
> really felt like a complete piece of shit for getting the guys record
> denied. After moving the pegs, he took the record legally.
>
> What is the usual stance of the SCTA on this type of situation?
>
> George
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> To: "Crim" <gwcrim@usa.com>
> Sent: August 29, 2000 12:43:57 PM GMT
> Subject: Re: Attracting new comers/ Classes
>
>
> George,
>
> Thanks for joining us at Speedweek. I hope your first visit was
> enjoyable
> and not your last. Could you elaborate on the M class bike you
> mentioned?
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Dan Warner,
> Impound Official - SCTA-BNI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Crim <gwcrim@usa.com>
> To: Jonathan Amo <webmaster@landracing.com>; \"\\\"LandSpeed\\\"
> Louise Ann
> Noeth\" <lanspeed@west.net>
> Cc: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; Ed Van Scoy
> <edvs@uswest.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Attracting new comers/ Classes
>
>
> > As a newcomer to Land Speed Racing (and this mailing list) I feel
> > Jonathan's comments about attracting newcomers and limiting classes
> > might be diametrically opposed.
> >
> > I've raced at Maxton twice this year and Bonneville once. Each time
> > in Pushrod motorcycle classes. I've studied the classes closely and
> > am impressed that they seem to be well thought out. Group gas,
> fuel,
> > and blown together and you've raised the cost of being competitive
> by
> > a huge amount. Talk about a way to keep new blood out!
> >
> > As for jumping classes, I guess it makes sense. If your choice of
> > "fuel" is gasoline and you are strong enough to take the record,
> have
> > at it. It can allow a person to get a real feeling of
> accomplishment
> > to come home with multiple records.
> >
> > One other thing I noticed. The ECTA will allow you to move up a
> class
> > w/out being illegal for the lower category. The SCTA claims not to.
> > At Bonneville I did see one bike that was M class legal run in the A
> > class and set a record. The official I questioned was going to let
> it
> > stand. Quite frankly, I was disappointed. It makes me wonder how
> > often this happens. Pick your rules and STICK TO THEM.
> >
> > Nice to meet y'all.
> >
> > George Crim
> > Sportster List Race Team
> >
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Jonathan Amo <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > To: "\"\\\"LandSpeed\\\" Louise Ann Noeth\"" <lanspeed@west.net>
> > Sent: August 27, 2000 7:31:28 PM GMT
> > Subject: Attracting new comers/ Classes
> >
> >
> > Louise and list,
> >
> > Thy new blood we seek, we want to seek safe. But the newcomers
> > attitiude
> > can be shallowed without lightening the rules is the 130 mph club.
> You
> > need little to become a member, and they will have the taste of Salt
> > Flats
> > Racing. This alone will have the effect of, would I like to go
> faster.
> > 9
> > times out of 10, sure I would. Well you have these guidelines to go
> > by. I
> > think the 130 mph and 150 mph are excellent ideas and only wish they
> > would
> > promote more with them. Campaign them along with the World of Speed
> > event.
> > Looking at the cover of event programs, and calanders there is
> nothing
> > there to promote it. Should one read into the program you will see
> it
> > there, along with the Bar Stool Racing.
> > What we need is a person like yourself Louise, to write an article
> on
> > it
> > and see if we can get it published somewhere outside of land speed
> > racing's circle. To gather some attention. I would be glad to put it
> > on
> > the site.
> > As many would say we need to do something for the fear of our sport
> > may be
> > hanging on only be a few threads. All we need to do is get it out,
> > most
> > think you need alot of money, to get something to run there. Our
> team
> > Team
> > Amo proves you dont need alot of money to get there, just a damn
> good
> > goal, and alot of interest.
> > As I have explained our sport to many around the world, the one
> thing
> > that
> > does defer them away, is they think about a Land Speed Record, and
> the
> > amount of classes there already are, they say there are to many.. I
> > would
> > have to agree with them on that, and the amount of classes does seem
> > to be
> > getting out of hand.
> > It would further say that I respect every part of the sport, but....
> > there
> > are to many classes. Lets say Land Speed Racing started today and I
> > was
> > the president (yeah right), I would make engine and body classes,
> but
> > no
> > seperate classes for Fuel and Gas, blown or unblown. Hey you do
> > whatever
> > it takes to get the record for your engine and body class.
> Everything
> > class would be a fuel class. You would use whatever you need to get
> > the
> > speed, dont call it unfair, you have the same rights to use whatever
> > power, fuel, injected means known to man for yourself too.
> > But then again, because the ease of creating new classes, and the
> > break
> > down of fuel, gas, blown, unblown, is this what keeps the newcomers
> > coming.
> >
> > Jonathan Amo
> > www.landracing.com
> >
> > \"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth wrote:
> >
> > > John/list,
> > >
> > > I think we polled ourselves, you would find plenty of folks who
> have
> > > been approached with the ubiquitous, "I just want to see what it
> > will
> > > do" comment. I believe this attitude is the product of a society
> > that
> > > offers too many choices, where "a taste, or a sample" often
> > > constitutes little more than a notch in their life's experience
> > > roster. For those adventures that require time, effort, dedication
> > and
> > > thoughtful planning, the game remains the same -- safety first.
> > >
> > > I would hope and support all actions by any sanctioning body to
> keep
> > > safety paramount in its operation and not succumb to the
> temptation
> > of
> > > easing the rules just to gather some "new blood" which, as we all
> > > understand, can easily become "spilled" in an instant.
> > >
> > > I have witnessed the horrified reaction of some of the folks who
> > would
> > > like to find a way to skirt the rules when a car, or worse, a bike
> > has
> > > tumbled on the lakes or the salt. Just as it has for decades, the
> > > misfortune of others serves to teach an indelible and far-reaching
> > > lesson insofar as safety is concerned when "trying to see how fast
> > it
> > > will go." I believe we call it, "reality" -- the possible and the
> > > probable.
> > >
> > > Speedy Regards,
> > >
> > > "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth
> > >
> > > LandSpeed Productions
> > > Telling stories with words and pictures
> > > ------------------------o0o--------------------------
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > To: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
> > > <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > Subject: 150mph club & attracting new members
> > >
> > > > List
> > > >
> > > > This is an interesting situation and needs more discussion. We
> > (LSR)
> > > are
> > > > trying to get more (new and/or younger) people involved in the
> > sport
> > > (with
> > > > quality equipment) and as I understand it the 130/150 Club was
> > > implemented
> > > > to attract them.
> > > >
> > > > It's absolutely amazing how many people call me at the ECTA and
> > want
> > > to know
> > > > about running their "1999 SpeedSport Whatever" at 200 MPH
> without
> > > roll
> > > > cage/bars, fire system, fire suit, etc. "I just want to try it
> out
> > > and see
> > > > what it will do". Obviously they have the money to go fast, or
> > they
> > > wouldn't
> > > > have the "SpeedSport Whatever", but I guess it's just a lark
> for
> > > them
> > > > without any serious commitment. But if they could run how many
> > would
> > > be
> > > > hooked?? To big a risk to find out? I don't know what the answer
> > > is??? Can't
> > > > shy away from safety rules.
> > > >
> > > > The bike guys seem to be the most active new members back east.
> Of
> > > course
> > > > all they need is the bike, riding leathers and helmet. Much
> > cheaper
> > > > investment than a car so more come out to give it a try. The
> > average
> > > guy can
> > > > walk into most any Motorcycle Dealership and walk out with 200
> MPH
> > > scooter
> > > > today.
> > > >
> > > > ECTA is trying a new 'Street Class' this year. Simply put it has
> > to
> > > be
> > > > street legal, tags, insurance, mufflers etc., with proper safety
> > > equipment
> > > > for the speed levels run. Seems to have drawn interest from
> those
> > > who don't
> > > > fit or don't understand the /PRO, /GC or /ALT rules. Time will
> > tell.
> > > >
> > > > John Beckett, ECTA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>
> > > > To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: WOS 150mph club
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jon,
> > > > > I try to push this program with my road racing cronys, but
> they
> > > think 150
> > > > > mph is too slow! Little do they know the problems involved in
> > > going fast
> > > > on
> > > > > salt. In 1993, the first year I took my street car up there,
> the
> > > best I
> > > > > could get out of it was 141 mph, yet, it had run 180 mph in
> the
> > > Silver
> > > > State
> > > > > race 2 days before! (yes it was down hill) In 1994 (yeah, I
> know
> > > the
> > > > program
> > > > > says 1995, but who cares) I brought the Vette I am now racing
> to
> > > run the
> > > > 150
> > > > > Club. It was street-legal & licensed , and was originally
> built
> > to
> > > run the
> > > > > Unlimited Class in the Silver State races. I ran 159 first
> pass
> > &
> > > had so
> > > > > much fun I promptly forgot about using it for road racing &
> went
> > > back to a
> > > > > stock (?) ZR-1 for Silver State. I still try to promote it
> > > because I
> > > > think
> > > > > it is a great entry door to this sport. USFRA is a bit gun-shy
> > > about this
> > > > > program (and I don't blame them) as one idiot can screw up
> and
> > > spoil the
> > > > > whole deal for all of us. Yes, you CAN crash at 150 MPH with
> > > disasterous
> > > > > results, contrary to the thinking of those who have never
> driven
> > > on salt.
> > > > > If I was USFRA, I would keep the program, as I see it as a
> great
> > > promotion
> > > > > tool, but I would change the rules to make it mandatory to
> make
> > > the 130
> > > > Club
> > > > > before turning a driver loose on the salt at up to 159.999
> mph,
> > > per
> > > > current
> > > > > rules. Just my .02 worth..............................
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan Amo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > List,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For those of you who run during WOS. How come we only have
> 10
> > > members in
> > > > > > the 150 mph club. Seems that most of us can be in the club,
> > why
> > > not be
> > > > > > in there. I know alot of people run faster than that, but
> its
> > > still in a
> > > > > > honor to be in the club.
> > > > > > If bike runs well during WOS and we make it there, I would
> be
> > > more than
> > > > > > happy to join the club members of Ed Van Scoy and Ron
> > > Christenson in
> > > > > > this club, and run the bike.
> > > > > > Any comments on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > > > www.landracing.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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