The Stick Deal.... Doug you have no idea how much Idiocy I have brought to
the table when it comes to the Stick thing..... I have done some REAL brain
dead stuff to have a Stick instead of an Automatic in a couple of Cars....
Like finding one of the 250 78 only El Camino's that came with a 350 and the
Four Speed.... many were made that had 305's and Stick's but not many
350's.... because they were Hard on the Saginaw's.... anyway I know What
your saying.... there are LOTS of cars out there that simply work GREAT with
an AUTO... and are much Faster then Mine.... I just love the Stick.... call
it Die Hard... Call It Brain Dead.... it's my thing and your absolutely
right.... Diversity is what this is all about....
Keith ( who wouldn't have a Stick in a Daily Driver for love nor Money )
----- Original Message -----
From: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Ford C-4 Tranny Gear Deliberations
> In a message dated 08/26/2000 10:04:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> kturk@ala.net writes:
>
> <<
> I simply don't understand using an Automatic.... Sorry Doug... ain't that
I
> don't love your car... .. When you have limeted Ponies why waste them on
the
> Auto?
>
> With the in and Out box I understand they can be effiecent.... but with a
> Torque converter all that is Lost....
>
> SOOOOOO lets evaluate how to stick a Four speed in your car for a
sec....(
> bare with me on this even if your not interested ) First the Clutch
linkage
> is a NON issue with the advent of Hydraulic Throw out bearings.... ( 150
or
> so ) and you already have Brakes so sicking another pedal in isn't that
much
> of an issue.... especially with the Floor Mounted stuff out
there....again
> about 100- 150 dollars.... Okay now we are up to a Clutch.... Tilton Two
and
> Three disc Clutches are avalible from Muscle Motorsports Used for about
200
> bucks apiece....
>
> Okay now are up to the Bell Housing.... well.... you already have it set
up
> for something... Ford and they make those for around 200..... Fly wheels
are
> going to be interesting... but they are sure doable I am sure....
>
> Okay finally we get to the Trans itself.... Again Muscle sells rebuilt
> T-10's ( Stage Three.... Nascar Stuff... good to 750 hp ) for around
> 1500.... and Gear selection is absolutely selectable even down to a 2:43
> first 165 second and a 118 Third....
>
> So on the end of the day Doug.... Personally I would go down this
Road....
> and Not have an Auto..... Besides.... God wants us to Shift Race cars....
>
> Keith.... ( just food for thought Doug )
> - >>
> Keith,
> Thanks for the thoughts. I'll print out your letter and digest it this
> evening. I got started with the C-4 in the GoldDigger Lakester and
continued
> with the same tranny in the Dragmaster Dart and now the Modified Roadster.
> I realize the differences in power lost but perhaps someone in the
Group
> could shed some light on the actual facts and figures regards horsepower
> loss with the various automatics (C-4,350,400,Glide,PowerFlite, etc.) vs a
> Muncie or T-10 for example.
> In my Roadster I decided to go with the C-4 for several reasons: 1. I
> have very limited width in the "leg-room" area of the car. Running a
clutch
> pedal would relegate the brake to a hand-lever vs. the present pedal
setup.
> The shift linkage, simple as it may sound, would present an interesting
> challenge in my car, where the driver is somewhat behind the normal street
> position in relation to the tranny. Considering the limb restraints,
shifting
> might be a problem. Scatter shield wouldn't present much of a problem.
> The horsepower loss figures I mentioned above would be interesting to
> see. As far as race cars having stick-shift's, that's a matter of personal
> preference. Ain't the diversity of our hobby great?..............Ardun
Doug
> King
>
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