Hello, list I just perused the BUB enterprises site and found that Denis is
planning an assault on the Down Under salt in March. Do you guys/girls know of
any
other contingents. Mr. Malcom, will you and Mr. Brown be there to make it an
"international" event and show the world that "only thrust power will do" when
it
comes to "real speed"? Malcom and others, can any of you clear up a question I
have regarding the world speed record for motorcycles (hence- two wheelers)?, I
usually only hear of the Campos Easy Rider Entry, when in fact Mr. Fueling went
332.??mph two way average with his two wheel entry at Bonneville 2 years ago.
Joe
:) :)
Ed Van Scoy wrote:
> Joe;
> The records in the 1992 rule book are Land Speed Authority records. Most of
>the
> records in the book are 1991 records, leading me to believe there was a
> large(?) LSA certification meet in 1991 (?) Since 1992 was my first trip to
> the salt, maybe some of the old timers on this list could expand on
> this.........
> Ed
>
> David Haller wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> > Thanks for your response to the writer. I'm not sure how to take that kind
> > of response to a simple question, his response that is. The 1992 rule book
> > had a section for FIA rules and records and the World of Speed was set up
> > this year for those of us who wished to attempt to set a new record in that
> > arena. I was just wondering if someone such as myself had access to the
> > record book to see what mark to shoot for under FIA. I sure wasn't expecting
> > the kind of response I got out of the UK. After all, we all enjoy the need
> > for speed, some more extreme than others, some budgets unlimited and others
> > very limited. Guess we're still considered the Colonies, even after all
> > these years,
> > Dave Haller #93
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > To: Malcolm Pittwood <MPittwood@compuserve.com>
> > Cc: LSR List <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 4:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
> >
> > > Theory and execution are at times opposing entities. Don Vesco has more
> > runs
> > > over 200mph with 250cc and 350cc bikes than "Rocketman" has with "the
> > only
> > > way" thrust power. In addition the inefficient 1930's tech 320mph Easy
> > Rider
> > > bike and 1970's tech bikes Vesco ran over 318 (and also over 330) have yet
> > to
> > > be bettered by thrust. I suppose most American hot rodders face the
> > > realization that "real speed" can be attained with ingenuity and power
> > plants
> > > found in their grocery getters as opposed to stripping down fighter jets
> > and
> > > helicopters. Not sure why no one has taken one of those superior thrust
> > power
> > > plants and set the bar higher with respect to the bike records.
> > > Many do not attempt FIA/FIM records because our quest for speed is
> > realized on
> > > the salt in the certified numbers we attain from the BNI/SCTA, and the
> > fact
> > > that our quest is restricted by money which makes the significantly higher
> > > FIA/FIM certification price unrealistic. I sincerely hope that you will
> > be
> > > able to come to Bonneville and run some fast speeds. Joe :) :)
> > >
> > > Malcolm Pittwood wrote:
> > >
> > > > -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
> > > >
> > > > From: Malcolm Pittwood,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Date: 1/2/100 9:56 PM
> > > >
> > > > RE: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Hello List,
> > > > As a 'lurker' it has taken until the new millennium for me to introduce
> > > > myself and take part in the lively exchange of comments here on the
> > list.
> > > > The FIA records are looked after by an american - Burdette Martin who is
> > > > Chairman of the FIA Records Commission based at ACCUS was fax (547) 272
> > > > 0101. Make a specific request on the capacity class you are interested
> > in
> > > > - remember that the FIA have no classification by body types. The FIA
> > > > rules only divide by cubic capacity for petrol and diesel internal
> > > > combustion; weight for electric, steam and turbine; and its unlimited
> > for
> > > > all thrust powered vehicles.
> > > > The ACCUS should have the FIA rules for record attempts in hard copy if
> > the
> > > > regulations are not on the FIA web site.
> > > > As the FIA only recognise their International records you will not find
> > any
> > > > Bonneville BNI/USFRA/LSA speeds listed in their information !!
> > > > Real Speed - only thrust power will do. Why work with pistons if you
> > want
> > > > to run fast ?
> > > > Facts - it was americans who rode rough shod over the FIA rules on
> > > > automobiles to establish thrust powered records in the 60's. Only since
> > > > 1983 did the Brits (R Noble & A Green) have vehicles capable of setting
> > > > speeds over the rocket power of Blue Flame but then Andy did it in
> > style -
> > > > 'boom boom'.
> > > > Turbines- if you develop a turbo charged 4 stroke or 2 stroke engine to
> > the
> > > > extremes possible, including feeding back the rotational turbocharger
> > shaft
> > > > power to the crankshaft of the power unit (engine) by "compounding", you
> > > > end up creating a gas turbine. I have been interested in the dislike
> > > > created by the Vesco Turbinator amongst some 4 stroke teams. Lets face
> > it
> > > > if you wish to drive a shaft connected to the wheels why not use an
> > > > appropriate power unit ?
> > > > So who is Malcolm Pittwood ?
> > > > I do not hold any speed records. I am a Fuel and Combustion Engineer
> > > > based in England, with a 37 year interest in cars and speed record
> > > > breaking. I used to work on circuit racing saloons (sedans in the USA)
> > but
> > > > then took an interest in pure straight line speed. For the last 5 years
> > I
> > > > have been Chairman of the Speed Record Club (producers of Fast Facts
> > > > Magazine).
> > > > I organise speed record attempts here in the UK and in the USA (at
> > > > Bonneville in 1999) for British teams - Primetime Jet Power, Bluebird
> > > > Electric, Team Maximum Impulse (yes, the triple rocket powered
> > motorcycle
> > > > of Richard Brown). I also work with other UK teams when I have a spare
> > > > moment, including one using a gas turbine helicopter engine. I have a
> > > > steam rocket powered car in my two car garage alongside a jet turbine
> > > > engine. In storage is a diesel engined streamliner which I own and am
> > > > having assembled for a young driver. Last summer I had a 'guest drive'
> > in
> > > > the Vampire jet dragster of Colin Fallows of the Primetime team just 24
> > > > hours after he broke the UK Outright record.
> > > > As Project Administrator for Richard 'Rocketman' Brown for the last
> > three
> > > > years I feel it has to be acknowledged that if you want an official FIA
> > or
> > > > FIM World Record you have to use rocket (or two jet power). Even then
> > you
> > > > don't always get the record first time - Richard went 333 mph average
> > over
> > > > the kilo in the Gillette mach 3 Challenger, but only one way.
> > > > Why don't more nationalities join in speed record breaking ? Why don't
> > > > more americans attempt FIA records with their cars and FIM records with
> > > > their bikes. Hey, you guys didn't even support Denis Manning at his
> > 'bike
> > > > only meeting' on the salt last september ?
> > > > At least this should welcome in the new year with lots of response on
> > the
> > > > list !!
> > > > Malcolm Pittwood living in Derby, (initial home of Rolls Royce when the
> > > > Brits owned the car maker), East Midlands, England. 21.56 GMT.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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