Re: [Healeys] Hello

[Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>]

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Use a paper gasket smeared with any sealant like Permatex. Not really 
critical.
Kees Oudesluijs

Op 17-2-2025 om 05:30 schreef Michael Oritt:suicidal let's discuss the 
probabilities of developing prostate cancer (which I've had).
> For me I'd rather read about something related to the use of our cars 
> and I still haven't seen a response to my question about thermostat 
> gasket sealant.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 9:01â?¯PM James Frey via Healeys 
> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>     The costs you cite below are inexorably linked to the â??What to Do
>     with our Healeysâ?? question that was also raised. Over the last
>     several years, I have restored/built 3 cars with most of the work
>     done by a local shop (one of which was a Bugeye).  I needed to
>     have most work performed by my shop.  Although my skills are
>     moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time available to do so
>     has lessened in recent years.
>
>     Given the above circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times
>     market value on the purchase price, work performed, parts, etc.  I
>     consider myself lucky to have a trusted local shop, but depending
>     on where you live (even assuming you are willing to spend the
>     money), it can be extraordinarily difficult to get the cars
>     serviced, let alone have significant restoration work done.  I
>     also donâ??t see the value of most Healeys going up much, and it
>     might go down given the (arguably) shrinking market/demographics
>     for these cars.
>
>     So given my recent experience, as much as I might love to own a
>     BJ8 and would consider myself â??a trusted stewardâ??, paying
>     significant dollars (even for a beautifully restored car) in a
>     declining market might not be the best idea.  As for a car that
>     â??needs workâ??, Iâ??m starting to feel like Iâ??ve been there and done
>     that a little too often. Also, there are fun (more modern) cars
>     out there for similar dollars that donâ??t present the same
>     financial risk and difficulties in selling.
>
>     Lastly, Iâ??m 61 (so not â??youngâ??) and I think those that are younger
>     than me are an even tougher sell.  I have 2 adult sons that have a
>     moderate interest in cars and the â??old carsâ?? they might have an
>     interest in are probably from 2000-2010.
>
>     The market is undeniably softer than previously, but I actually
>     think current values are a sellers market, even in the US.  With
>     the potential for declining demand, itâ??s hard for me to see an
>     improving Healey market over the next 10+ years.
>
>     Jim
>
>
>
>>     On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16â?¯PM, Michael Salter
>>     <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     Very good question.
>>     All the work that you describe requires an individual with
>>     significant skill(s). These tasks are not something that your
>>     "run of the mill" parts changer can undertake.  In our part of
>>     the world (Canada) those "parts changers", without breaking a
>>     sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which equates to $50/hr.
>>     $50/hr paid to the tradesman will typically be charged out at an
>>     hourly rate of at least $100.
>>     In my book a full restoration takes 1200 hours at least, usually
>>     a lot more to produce concours standards.
>>     So labour ONLY $120K.
>>     Parts and materials usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.
>>     Incidentals at least another $20K
>>     It's getting up there ð??³ð??³
>>
>>     M
>>
>>
>>     On Sun., Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson--- via Healeys,
>>     <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>         The list has been very quiet for a long time.
>>         How about a discussion about the cost of restoring a BN1?
>>         The metal work is About 90% done. The remaining work includes
>>         final fitting all body panels, preparing for paint & final
>>         painting.
>>         Wiring, plumbing including rebuilding the brakes, interior,
>>         fitting the windscreen, convertible top, side curtains
>>         including providing all material where necessary.
>>         Rebuild the engine including all the machining. I have all
>>         the necessary components.
>>
>>         Gary Hodson
>>
>>
>>         On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike
>>         Sinclair via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Is it me, or is the list quiet?  I haven't seen anything for
>>         quite a while?
>>
>>         Mik
>>
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    <p>Use a paper gasket smeared with any sealant like Permatex. Not
      really critical.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 17-2-2025 om 05:30 schreef Michael
      Oritt:suicidal let's discuss the probabilities of developing
      prostate cancer (which I've had).</div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">For me
          I'd rather read about something related to the use of our cars
          and I still haven't seen a response to my question about
          thermostat gasket sealant.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Michael
          Oritt</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br>
        </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at
          9:01â?¯PM James Frey via Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; moz-do-not-send="true"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:14px">The costs
                    you cite below are inexorably linked to the â??What to
                    Do with our Healeysâ?? question that was also raised. 
                    Over the last several years, I have restored/built 3
                    cars with most of the work done by a local shop (one
                    of which was a Bugeye).  I needed to have most work
                    performed by my shop.  Although my skills are
                    moderate and I enjoy turning wrenches, my time
                    available to do so has lessened in recent years. Â </span>
                  <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                    </span></div>
                  <div><span style="font-size:14px">Given the above
                      circumstances, I have easily spent 2-3 times
                      market value on the purchase price, work
                      performed, parts, etc.  I consider myself lucky to
                      have a trusted local shop, but depending on where
                      you live (even assuming you are willing to spend
                      the money), it can be extraordinarily difficult to
                      get the cars serviced, let alone have significant
                      restoration work done.  I also donâ??t see the value
                      of most Healeys going up much, and it might go
                      down given the (arguably) shrinking
                      market/demographics for these cars. Â </span>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">So given my recent
                        experience, as much as I might love to own a BJ8
                        and would consider myself â??a trusted stewardâ??,
                        paying significant dollars (even for a
                        beautifully restored car) in a declining market
                        might not be the best idea.  As for a car that
                        â??needs workâ??, Iâ??m starting to feel like Iâ??ve
                        been there and done that a little too often. 
                        Also, there are fun (more modern) cars out there
                        for similar dollars that donâ??t present the same
                        financial risk and difficulties in selling. 
 </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">Lastly, Iâ??m 61 (so
                        not â??youngâ??) and I think those that are younger
                        than me are an even tougher sell.  I have 2
                        adult sons that have a moderate interest in cars
                        and the â??old carsâ?? they might have an interest
                        in are probably from 2000-2010. Â </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">The market is
                        undeniably softer than previously, but I
                        actually think current values are a sellers
                        market, even in the US.  With the potential for
                        declining demand, itâ??s hard for me to see an
                        improving Healey market over the next 10+ years.
                        Â </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px"><br>
                      </span></div>
                    <div><span style="font-size:14px">Jim</span></div>
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                          <div>On Feb 16, 2025, at 2:16â?¯PM, Michael
                            Salter &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                              
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</div>
                          <br>
                          <div>
                            <div dir="auto">Very good question. 
                              <div dir="auto">All the work that you
                                describe requires an individual with
                                significant skill(s). These tasks are
                                not something that your "run of the
                                mill" parts changer can undertake.  In
                                our part of the world (Canada) those
                                "parts changers", without breaking a
                                sweat can easily pull in 6 figures which
                                equates to $50/hr. $50/hr paid to the
                                tradesman will typically be charged out
                                at an hourly rate of at least $100.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">In my book a full
                                restoration takes 1200 hours at least,
                                usually a lot more to produce concours
                                standards.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">So labour ONLY $120K.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">Parts and materials
                                usually at least 50% of labour. $60K.</div>
                              <div dir="auto">Incidentals at least
                                another $20K</div>
                              <div dir="auto">It's getting up there 
ð??³ð??³</div>
                              <div dir="auto"><br>
                              </div>
                              <div dir="auto">M</div>
                              <div dir="auto"><br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun.,
                                Feb. 16, 2025, 1:40 p.m. warthodson---
                                via Healeys, &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                                wrote:<br>
                              </div>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid 
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                                  <div
style="font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
                                    <div dir="ltr">The list has been
                                      very quiet for a long time.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">How about a
                                      discussion about the cost of
                                      restoring a BN1? </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">The metal work is
                                      About 90% done. The remaining work
                                      includes final fitting all body
                                      panels, preparing for paint &amp;
                                      final painting.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Wiring, plumbing
                                      including rebuilding the brakes,
                                      interior, fitting the windscreen,
                                      convertible top, side curtains
                                      including providing all material
                                      where necessary. </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Rebuild the engine
                                      including all the machining. I
                                      have all the necessary components.</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Gary Hodson</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr">Â </div>
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                                        <div> On Sunday, February 16,
                                          2025 at 10:46:32 AM CST, Mike
                                          Sinclair via Healeys &lt;<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote: </div>
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                                              <p><font size="2"
                                                  face="Tahoma">Is it
                                                  me, or is the list
                                                  quiet?  I haven't seen
                                                  anything for quite a
                                                  while?</font></p>
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                                                  face="Tahoma">Mik<br>
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