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Guys, first, its ethanol that is being added, not alcohol. I am no chemist,=
but I am sure they are different. Here in Ontario, Shell did not add ethan=
ol to their premium up to last October, now they do and I imagine that is na=
tion-wide. They "got away" with this because of the way the ethanol content=
is, or at least was, measured. I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it w=
as an average across total sales. So they could add a bit more in regular g=
rades and not add it to premium. It was something like that anyhow. It was=
a corporate decision to start adding it to premium, not a change in governm=
ent mandate. It is a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, wi=
th the addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separat=
e from the gas. Its called "phase separation" (google it). The ethanol can=
combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the bottom of t=
he storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is located. So although t=
he tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 10% ethanol, what comes out t=
he nozzle could be different. That all said, I have not noticed any problem=
with my BT7. I think the most you would have to do is adjust your timing a=
s the ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas. It is a totally different is=
sue with my air-cooled classic bikes. The gas in those helps (minimally) wi=
th cooling and we generally run them a little richer than optimum. But it r=
eally creates timing issues when you have a high dome piston and the plug to=
one side - its a relatively long way over the dome and the slower burn rate=
creates timing issues. BTW, I've been told that avgas has a different form=
ula and is not necessary a good alternative, and is certainly inconvenient. =
Some speed shops cell good gas, but again, super inconvenient, and as I not=
ed, I don't think it is an issue with a Healey. There are several apps that=
tell you the nearest ethanol free gas - just google it. There are also add=
itives that claim to neutralize the ethanol. I'll be experimenting with the=
se in the bikes.
Sent from my alternative
> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <engl@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol) a=
lready, but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet. I found a Shell station i=
n Saskatoon that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver and bron=
ze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pumps and i=
t was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, but the s=
igns used to say =E2=80=9C contains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.=20
>=20
> A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pump that said =E2=80=9C m=
ay contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno.=20
>=20
> Didn=E2=80=99t there used to be an app??
>=20
> Bob England
>=20
>>> On Sep 2, 2024, at 8:56=E2=80=AFAM, carl and gerry rubino via Healeys <h=
ealeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF A message from Canada. For the last 30 years I have been runnin=
g my 100/6 on 93 gas with no alcohol.
>> In its infinite wisdom our government is going to legislate alcohol in al=
l grades of gas.
>> Other than stealing gas from an airport any recommendations to deal with t=
his?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Guys, first, its ethanol that is being adde=
d, not alcohol. I am no chemist, but I am sure they are different. &nb=
sp;Here in Ontario, Shell did not add ethanol to their premium up to last Oc=
tober, now they do and I imagine that is nation-wide. They "got away" w=
ith this because of the way the ethanol content is, or at least was, measure=
d. I understand (i.e., not 100% positive) it was an average across tot=
al sales. So they could add a bit more in regular grades and not add i=
t to premium. It was something like that anyhow. It was a corpor=
ate decision to start adding it to premium, not a change in government manda=
te. It is a real mess in my opinion as the ethanol can in time, with t=
he addition of moisture in the storage tank (e.g., condensation) separate fr=
om the gas. Its called "phase separation" (google it). The ethan=
ol can combine with the water molecules and being heavier sinks to the botto=
m of the storage tank, where of course the pump pick-up is located. So=
although the tanker may put fuel in which has only up to 10% ethanol, what c=
omes out the nozzle could be different. That all said, I have not noti=
ced any problem with my BT7. I think the most you would have to do is a=
djust your timing as the ethanol has a slower burn rate than gas. It i=
s a totally different issue with my air-cooled classic bikes. The gas i=
n those helps (minimally) with cooling and we generally run them a little ri=
cher than optimum. But it really creates timing issues when you have a=
high dome piston and the plug to one side - its a relatively long way over t=
he dome and the slower burn rate creates timing issues. BTW, I've been=
told that avgas has a different formula and is not necessary a good alterna=
tive, and is certainly inconvenient. Some speed shops cell good gas, b=
ut again, super inconvenient, and as I noted, I don't think it is an issue w=
ith a Healey. There are several apps that tell you the nearest ethanol=
free gas - just google it. There are also additives that claim to neu=
tralize the ethanol. I'll be experimenting with these in the bikes.<br=
><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my alternative</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Engl <engl@accesscomm=
.ca> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; chars=
et=3Dutf-8">I thought that all our gas had to have the corn filler (alcohol)=
already, but that=E2=80=99s maybe not the case yet. I found a Shell s=
tation in Saskatoon that had a =E2=80=9Ccontains alcohol=E2=80=9D on silver a=
nd bronze at the pump, but no label on their premium gas - checked other pum=
ps and it was the same I was hoping their premium did not contain alcohol, b=
ut the signs used to say =E2=80=9C contains no alcohol=E2=80=9D on premium.&=
nbsp;<div><br></div><div>A Shell in Regina had just a general note on the pu=
mp that said =E2=80=9C may contain alcohol=E2=80=9D, so dunno. </div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Didn=E2=80=99t there used to be an app??<br><div><br></div=
><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob England</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote typ=
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