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To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>, Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
From: Bob Haskell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 17:36:10 -0400
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Harold,

How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to provide 
any details?

Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar

On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold wrote:
> Another consideration for balancing the rear tires is the brake drums. 
> I have the original BMC brake drums and was surprised at how out of 
> balance they were. I static balanced the brake drums to go with the 
> separately balanced wheels and tires. No vibrations, shimmies or 
> skuttle shakes so far.
>
> Harold
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 12:34â?¯AM <greylinn@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
>     Here in Brisbane thereâ??s at least one place (near me) that does
>     on-car balancing. The wheels on my 100 donâ??t have a central hole,
>     so canâ??t be balanced on a regular machine. That said, the last set
>     of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I bought are fine with no balancing!
>
>     Peter Linn
>
>     Brisbane
>
>     BN1 Holden V6
>
>     MG TC special
>
>     *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
>     *m.g.sharp--- via Healeys
>     *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM
>     *To:* 'Harold Manifold' <manifold@telus.net>; 'HealeyRick'
>     <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>     *Cc:* 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>
>     I made up my own adaptor using a used hub and knock-off
>     (spinner).  I had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and
>     ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where the bearings
>     fit) and had him put a slight chamfer on the edges to provide
>     better registration for the standard cones on a modern balancer. 
>     Then we machined the centre out of the spinner so  that when the
>     wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is tightened, the
>     outer cone on the balancer fits through it and registers on the
>     hub.  That part is a little tricky as if you machine the hole too
>     big, the spinner will end up in two pieces â?? measure carefully! 
>     Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet and machining was $50.  I
>     believe this adaptor will work on any post-war wire wheels except
>     the Jags, which had different hubs.  Worked a treat on my TC
>     wheels.  Healey is running vibration-free- so leaving it alone for
>     now.
>
>     I too liked on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it
>     balanced the drum or disk at the same time â?? as long as you
>     remembered to mark the position of the wheels when you took them
>     off and did not rotate them (to a different position on the car)! 
>     That is likely one reason  they are not used anymore, because if
>     your drums were out of balance and you added weights to the wheel
>     that balanced them out, then every time you removed the wheel,
>     youâ??d loose the balance, unless it went back in exactly the same
>     position.   Anyhow itâ??s a moot point as I have not seen an
>     on-wheel balancer for decades.   I imagine that disks run very
>     true anyhow, but when I balanced the drums on the TC  they were
>     significantly off.  I hear balancing Healey drums brings good
>     results, but never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty
>     smooth.  If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums balanced,
>     Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great work for me.
>
>     Mirek
>
>     *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
>     *Harold Manifold
>     *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM
>     *To:* HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
>     *Cc:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel Balancer
>
>     It looks like the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS
>     recommendations for balancing. See attached. It should be a good
>     piece of kit.
>
>     Harold
>
>     On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:28â?¯AM HealeyRick via Healeys
>     <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>         AH Spares just sent out this email about a wire wheel balancer
>         kit to mount the wheels on a modern balancing machine.  What
>         are your thoughts?
>         
> https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
>         
> <https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email>
>
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    <p>Harold,</p>
    <p>How did you balance the drums - add or remove material? Care to
      provide any details?<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/15/23 11:32, Harold Manifold
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Another consideration for balancing the rear tires
        is the brake drums. I have the original BMC brake drums and was
        surprised at how out of balance they were. I static balanced the
        brake drums to go with the separately balanced wheels and tires.
        No vibrations, shimmies or skuttle shakes so far.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Harold</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 15, 2023 at
          12:34â?¯AM &lt;<a href="mailto:greylinn@ozemail.com.au";
            moz-do-not-send="true" 
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">greylinn@ozemail.com.au</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Here in Brisbane thereâ??s at
                    least one place (near me) that does on-car
                    balancing. The wheels on my 100 donâ??t have a central
                    hole, so canâ??t be balanced on a regular machine.
                    That said, the last set of Khumo Ecowing ES31s I
                    bought are fine with no balancing!</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Peter Linn</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Brisbane</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>BN1 Holden V6</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>MG TC special</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <div>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span 
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>m.g.sharp--- via Healeys<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 15, 2023 1:07 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> 'Harold Manifold' &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:manifold@telus.net";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt;;
                        'HealeyRick' &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel
                        Balancer</span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I made up my own
                    adaptor using a used hub and knock-off (spinner).  I
                    had a machinist mount the hub on the lathe and
                    ensure that it was true on the inside edges (where
                    the bearings fit) and had him put a slight chamfer
                    on the edges to provide better registration for the
                    standard cones on a modern balancer.  Then we
                    machined the centre out of the spinner so  that when
                    the wheel is mounted on the hub and the spinner is
                    tightened, the outer cone on the balancer fits
                    through it and registers on the hub.  That part is a
                    little tricky as if you machine the hole too big,
                    the spinner will end up in two pieces â?? measure
                    carefully!  Hub and spinner was $25 at a swap meet
                    and machining was $50.  I believe this adaptor will
                    work on any post-war wire wheels except the Jags,
                    which had different hubs.  Worked a treat on my TC
                    wheels.  Healey is running vibration-free- so
                    leaving it alone for now.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I too liked
                    on-wheel balancing and in my simple thinking it
                    balanced the drum or disk at the same time â?? as long
                    as you remembered to mark the position of the wheels
                    when you took them off and did not rotate them (to a
                    different position on the car)!  That is likely one
                    reason  they are not used anymore, because if your
                    drums were out of balance and you added weights to
                    the wheel that balanced them out, then every time
                    you removed the wheel, youâ??d loose the balance,
                    unless it went back in exactly the same position.
                      Anyhow itâ??s a moot point as I have not seen an
                    on-wheel balancer for decades.   I imagine that
                    disks run very true anyhow, but when I balanced the
                    drums on the TC  they were significantly off.  I
                    hear balancing Healey drums brings good results, but
                    never felt the need as my BT7 has always run pretty
                    smooth.  If anyone in Ontario (Canada) wants drums
                    balanced, Garland and Sons in Scarborough did great
                    work for me.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Mirek</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Harold Manifold<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 11, 2023 11:35 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> HealeyRick &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> Healeys &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                        
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Wire Wheel 
Balancer</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">It looks like
                      the kit is designed to follow the Dunlop/MWS
                      recommendations for balancing. See attached. It
                      should be a good piece of kit.</span></p>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Harold</span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">On Thu, May
                        11, 2023 at 8:28â?¯AM HealeyRick via Healeys &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">AH Spares
                          just sent out this email about a wire wheel
                          balancer kit to mount the wheels on a modern
                          balancing machine.  What are your thoughts?  <a
href="https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&amp;utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email";
                            target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ahspares.co.uk/austin-healey/big-healey/wheels/wire-wheel-balancing-kit.aspx?utm_medium=email-1st&amp;utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email</a></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Rick
                            Neville aka "HealeyRick"</span></p>
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