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40 plus years ago when I bought my 67 Healey, I purchased a stainless =
steel exhaust package from Moss and never had a problem with the system. =
They must have had a good supplier then. However, it spent a lot of =
time in the garage as I traveled around the world selling Stuff. When =
we bought our retirement home in Florida in 2009 the Healey was trucked =
there, has lived in our garage and spent lots of miles on the road =
until the engine was pulled and rebuilt 3 summers ago. At that time, I =
looked carefully at the exhaust system and found no cracks or rust. By =
the way, I did not like to see the ss pipes and mufflers under the car, =
so I painted them heat resistant black years ago. After a power wash, I =
repainted them again with heat resistant black paint before =
reinstalling. =20
=20
The only repair was the hangers in some cases had separated from the =
rubber, so I drilled a hole in both the hanger and the rubber and =
installed SS screws in all of them to hold them together a trick I =
learned from this forum several years ago.
=20
Yes, the flex pipes and the connections were leaking exhaust for the =
first 1,000 miles and slowly quieted down as I used exhaust pipe =
compound when assembling the system. Otherwise, they are fine. =
Unfortunately, the exhaust sound is not that of a Ferrari. I believe =
there is nothing in the muffler or the resonator which gives the car a =
nice rap when shifting gears. Maybe my exhaust system will last another =
10 or 20 years in Florida. Oh yes, while I do go to the 7/11 from time =
to time, fill up the tank, I turn on to the Tamiami Trail where in a few =
miles I can be up to 65 MPH and the engine is hot all the time for a =
40-mile round trip in the county. Keeps the old girl happy and me also.
=20
The old girl is up on the rack with high pressure in the tires and =
sleeping in the Florida garage for the summer presently while I am =
enjoying cooler temperatures and sailing in Lake Michigan.
=20
Best regards to all,=20
=20
Bob Begani
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 7:38 PM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again
=20
In other climes, like sunny--i.e. hot and desperately dry--California =
salt isn't an issue, but quick trips to the corner 7-11 for a sixer are. =
Condensation from the engine exhaust pools in the low spots, and the =
pipes don't get hot enough to boil it out on short trips--think of the =
white 'smoke' coming from cars on cold mornings--and MS exhausts rust =
out from the inside. Since most of us don't use our Healeys for such =
mundane tasks (except for emergencies) SS isn't really ever needed, and =
you'll probably bash your exhaust to bits and rattles before it rusts. =
Plus, I think most 'performance' exhausts are a type of (fiber) =
'glasspack,' and you'll blow the 'glass' out in a few years.
I bought an Ansa exhaust for my BJ8 shortly after I bought it some 38 =
years ago, and its pipes live on. Even though they made my car sound =
like a 6-cyl Ferrari, I'd love to get another set. Michael =
Lempert--maker of gorgeous steering wheels--considered building his own =
version but, unfortunately didn't proceed.
On 6/13/2022 2:55 PM, Jean Caron wrote:
With the few miles we put on our cars each year I simply cannot see the =
need for stainless steel exhaust when a MD steel one will last 20 + =
years anyway.
=20
Jean
=20
Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest network.
_____ =20
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael Salter =
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 4:50:18 PM
<s.hutchings@rogers.com>
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again=20
=20
I make my own front pipes for 100's because the cheapo repos are so =
terrible. =20
I use mild steel for the pipes, which I actually had mandrel bent in New =
Zealand because no one in Canada seemed to be able to bend them to the =
correct radius but, and pretty soon I'll get to the point of this email, =
I weld the stainless flex to the mild steel with my TIG welder.=20
I use mild steel for the pipes because I have yet to see a front pipe =
that has rusted through unless the car is driven extensively on salted =
roads.
I'm sure anyone who does TIG welding could do the welding for you in =
mild steel but if you are prepared to pay handsomely FAB Stainless =
Welding could do them in stainless 905 669 7400 ask for Frank.
BTW the stainless steel flex seems to leak slightly when first installed =
but that stops after a little use, the gaps probably fill with carbon.
=20
M
=20
On Mon., Jun. 13, 2022, 3:54 p.m. Stephen Hutchings, =
Just thought I=E2=80=99d bring you up to date on my quest for a leak =
free exhaust.
The new downpipes arrive today, and I did a test on them before going to =
the trouble of putting them on the car.
Well=E2=80=A6Bell exhaust systems need new welders, because the two =
pipes both leak at the welds AND through the flex pipe!=20
I=E2=80=99m trying to find someone local to fix them, but most muffler =
shops say they can't weld stainless.
If anyone knows someone in the Toronto area who can do this work, please =
let me know.
Thanks,
Stephen, BJ8
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>40 plus years =
ago when I bought my 67 Healey, I purchased a stainless steel exhaust =
package from Moss and never had a problem with the system. They must =
have had a good supplier then. =C2=A0However, it spent a lot of time in =
the garage as I traveled around the world selling Stuff.=C2=A0 When we =
bought our retirement home in Florida in 2009 the Healey was trucked =
there, =C2=A0has lived in our garage and spent lots of miles on the road =
until the engine was pulled and rebuilt 3 summers ago.=C2=A0 At that =
time, I looked carefully at the exhaust system and found no cracks or =
rust.=C2=A0 By the way, I did not like to see the ss pipes and mufflers =
under the car, so I painted them heat resistant black years ago.=C2=A0 =
After a power wash, I repainted them again with heat resistant black =
paint before reinstalling.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The only =
repair was the hangers in some cases had separated from the rubber, so I =
drilled a hole in both the hanger and the rubber and installed SS screws =
in all of them to hold them together a trick I learned from this forum =
several years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Yes, the flex =
pipes and the connections were leaking exhaust for the first 1,000 miles =
and slowly quieted down as I used exhaust pipe compound when assembling =
the system. Otherwise, they are fine.=C2=A0 Unfortunately, the exhaust =
sound is not that of a Ferrari. I believe there is nothing in the =
muffler or the resonator which gives the car a nice rap when shifting =
gears.=C2=A0 Maybe my exhaust system will last another 10 or 20 years in =
Florida.=C2=A0 Oh yes, while I do go to the 7/11 from time to time, fill =
up the tank, I turn on to the Tamiami Trail where in a few miles I can =
be up to 65 MPH and the engine is hot all the time for a 40-mile round =
trip in the county.=C2=A0 Keeps the old girl happy and me =
also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The old girl =
is up on the rack with high pressure in the tires and sleeping in the =
Florida garage for the summer presently while I am enjoying cooler =
temperatures and sailing in Lake Michigan.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Best regards =
to all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Bob =
Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:=
p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob =
Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 13, 2022 7:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Stainless =
exhaust again<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In other climes, like sunny--i.e. hot and =
desperately dry--California salt isn't an issue, but quick trips to the =
corner 7-11 for a sixer are. Condensation from the engine exhaust pools =
in the low spots, and the pipes don't get hot enough to boil it out on =
short trips--think of the white 'smoke' coming from cars on cold =
mornings--and MS exhausts rust out from the inside. Since most of us =
don't use our Healeys for such mundane tasks (except for emergencies) SS =
isn't really ever needed, and you'll probably bash your exhaust to bits =
and rattles before it rusts. Plus, I think most 'performance' exhausts =
are a type of (fiber) 'glasspack,' and you'll blow the 'glass' out in a =
few years.<br><br>I bought an Ansa exhaust for my BJ8 shortly after I =
bought it some 38 years ago, and its pipes live on. Even though they =
made my car sound like a 6-cyl Ferrari, I'd love to get another set. =
Michael Lempert--maker of gorgeous steering wheels--considered building =
his own version but, unfortunately didn't =
proceed.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 6/13/2022 =
2:55 PM, Jean Caron wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>With the few miles we put on our cars each year =
I simply cannot see the need for stainless steel exhaust when a MD steel =
one will last 20 + years anyway.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jean<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div =
id=3Dms-outlook-mobile-signature><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from my Bell =
Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest =
network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Healeys <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.=
team.net></a> on behalf of Michael Salter <a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";><michaelsalter@gmail.com></=
a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 13, 2022 4:50:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Stephen Hutchings <a =
href=3D"mailto:s.hutchings@rogers.com";><s.hutchings@rogers.com></a>=
<br><b>Cc:</b> healey Mail List <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a>=
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Stainless exhaust again</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I make my own front pipes for 100's because the cheapo =
repos are so terrible. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
use mild steel for the pipes, which I actually had mandrel bent in New =
Zealand because no one in Canada seemed to be able to bend them to the =
correct radius but, and pretty soon I'll get to the point of this email, =
I weld the stainless flex to the mild steel with my TIG =
welder. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I use mild =
steel for the pipes because I have yet to see a front pipe that has =
rusted through unless the car is driven extensively on salted =
roads.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'm sure anyone who =
does TIG welding could do the welding for you in mild steel but if you =
are prepared to pay handsomely FAB Stainless Welding could do them in =
stainless 905 669 7400 ask for Frank.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>BTW the stainless steel flex seems to leak slightly =
when first installed but that stops after a little use, the gaps =
probably fill with carbon.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>M<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon., Jun. 13, 2022, 3:54 p.m. Stephen Hutchings, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:s.hutchings@rogers.com";>s.hutchings@rogers.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal>Just =
thought I=E2=80=99d bring you up to date on my quest for a leak free =
exhaust.<br>The new downpipes arrive today, and I did a test on them =
before going to the trouble of putting them on the =
car.<br>Well=E2=80=A6Bell exhaust systems need new welders, because the =
two pipes both leak at the welds AND through the flex pipe! =
<br>I=E2=80=99m trying to find someone local to fix them, but most =
muffler shops say they can't weld stainless.<br>If anyone knows someone =
in the Toronto area who can do this work, please let me =
know.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Stephen, =
BJ8<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><p =
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