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To: "'Roger Grace'" <roggrace@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] PCV valve
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 01:21:03 +0000 MCzknaeZqNWSwAXG4mLZMLBG0X8bkTKjHRuhBkIhQEk3Z9fomu99wOkyPxwD0MaypfpQwCp7GmnZ6uSlBepihd8uDXb2SjyvLdAZ8HhHZisqtQvlSmGV/hPO
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This all sounds good, but I'm concerned about sludge build up...I=0Areme=
mber my '55 Ford with added rubber plug to the vent & adapted PCV=0Aand=
 takeoff on air cleaner. Under the rockers was a gooey mess after=0Asome=
 miles. I kinda like my Type 3 system as original on my BJ Healey=0Aand=
 the rocker shaft and rockers are clean not a sticky mess. Sure it=0Adri=
ps some oil from the bell, but don't all us oldies drip something?=0AHan=
k=0A=0A=09-----------------------------------------From: "Roger Grace vi=
a=0AHealeys" =0ATo: "Harold Manifold"=0ACc: "Healey List"=0ASent: Tuesda=
y April 27 2021 4:34:02PM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys] PCV valve installatio=
n=0A=0A  I am with Harold on this one. In theory, with substantial vacuu=
m=0Aholding in the CC you would not move any of the accumulated gasses a=
nd=0Amoisture from the CC. Would be interested to hear if anyone has=0Aa=
ctually measured the CC vacuum after the plugging and soldering of=0Aall=
 the orifices ? Particularly at idle when the vacuum is high - what=0Ado=
es the PCV valve regulate it to ? My car is about 17/18 ins Hg at=0Aidle=
. Would also be interesting to look for oil at the system vacuum=0Ainlet=
 pipe after a few miles.=0A Just wondering... rg =0A=0A=09=09 [1]=0A =09=
=09 Virus-free. www.avg.com [2]=0A=0A [3] =0A On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:=
42 AM Harold Manifold via Healeys  wrote:=0A=0A=09The V in PCV is for ve=
ntilation. There should be a way for fresh air=0Ato get into the engine.=
 In addition to creating a slight vacuum inside=0Athe engine ideally the=
 blow by gases that accumulate in the bottom of=0Athe block and contamin=
ate the engine oil should be replaced with clear=0Aair. =0A=0A=09Harold=
 =0A=0A=09 FROM: Bob Begani via Healeys=0ASENT: Tuesday, April 27, 2021=
 6:06 AM=0ATO: Bob Haskell; Healey List=0ASUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] PCV val=
ve installation  =0A=0A=09Bob: =0A=0A=09Let me know how your installatio=
n works with the hole in the oil fill=0Acap soldered. No doubt, the rest=
 of the engine is has no breather=0Ainlets such as the valve cover? The=
 reason I ask is I did not solder=0Aor seal the oil fill cap and my alum=
inum valve cover has a vent on the=0Aside into which I stuffed a piece o=
f oiled 3m sanding pad. The reason=0Awas that in the early days of PCV v=
alves on engines the car makers=0Awere creating a breather so fresh air=
 could circulate in the engine=0Aand some articles indicated it was desi=
rable to keep air flowing to=0Athe crankcase.  =0A=0A=09Maybe some of th=
e other listeners who have been using a PVC system=0Asealed could commen=
t on the operation. Currently on regular 25-mile=0Adrives at no more tha=
n 60 mph the drips under the bell housing weep=0Ahole after the ride are=
 limited to a spot the size of a quarter in the=0Acan underneath. Next t=
ime travel on I-75 for 50 miles at higher speeds=0AI will see if the amo=
unt of oil increases. If it does I may seal vent=0Ato see what happens.=
 =0A=0A=09Bob Begani =0A=0A=09-----Original Message----- =0A=0A=09From:=
 Bob Haskell  =0A=0A=09Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 8:23 PM =0A=0A=09To:=
 rfbegani@gmail.com; 'Healey List'  =0A=0A=09Subject: Re: [Healeys] PCV=
 valve installation =0A=0A=09Bob, =0A=0A=09Thanks for the info. I've got=
 mine installed, but haven't driven the=0Acar yet - rebuilding a LCS pum=
p for it. I machined a 5/8"-20 - 3/8" =0A=0A=09barb fitting to screw int=
o the front manifold. Added six flats for a=0Awrench - Whitworth so I ca=
n be annoyed with myself at some future=0Adate. =0A=0A=09To go from the=
 5/8" diameter on the valve cover tee to the 1/2"=0Adiameter inlet on th=
e PCV valve, I shaved the ID of a 5/8" hose and=0Athe OD of a 1/2" hose=
 on the lathe and glued them together with rubber=0Acement. 3/8" =0A=0A=
=09hose connects the PVC valve to the manifold fitting. Added hose=0Acla=
mps at each connection and soldered the hole in the oil fill cap. =0A=0A=
=09Cheers, =0A=0A=09Bob Haskell =0A=0A=09Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 regi=
strar =0A=0A=09On 4/26/21 6:00 PM, rfbegani@gmail.com wrote: =0A=0A=09>=
  =0A=0A=09> Bob: =0A=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> I have completed the PCV valve=
 installation by using a 3 inch piece=0Aof =0A=0A=09> the 5/8=E2=80=9D h=
ose on the manifold side and inserting a 5/16 =E2=80=9C=0Aheater hose=
 =0A=0A=09> into it with a hose clamp. Then the 5/16=E2=80=9D hose attac=
hes a 1/8=E2=80=9D=0Ax =C2=BC=E2=80=9D =0A=0A=09> brass fitting with a h=
ose clamp from the parts store I installed=0Ainto =0A=0A=09> the small o=
pening on the intake manifold to the right of the large =0A=0A=09> openi=
ng for the brake booster. No leakage and strong negative =0A=0A=09> pres=
sure have reduced my oil leaks into the bell housing and the =0A=0A=09>=
 clutch dramatically. =0A=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> Bob Begani =0A=0A=09>  =0A=
=0A=09> *From:* Healeys  *On Behalf Of *Bob =0A=0A=09> Haskell =0A=0A=09=
> *Sent:* Friday, April 9, 2021 3:10 PM =0A=0A=09> *To:* Healey List =
 =0A=0A=09> *Subject:* [Healeys] PCV valve installation =0A=0A=09>  =0A=
=0A=09> Listers, =0A=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> Attempting to install a PCV valv=
e on our tri-carb engine per Norm =0A=0A=09> Nock's Tech Tip (page 98).=
 Made an adapter (5/8"-18 to 3/8" barb) =0A=0A=09> that replaces the plu=
g in the front inlet manifold. 3/8" hose to=0Athe =0A=0A=09> PCV valve.=
 Two questions: =0A=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> 1) Does the PCV valve need to be=
 orientated in a particular way? =0A=0A=09> Norm's diagram shows it hori=
zontal and I have seen them on=0Anon-Healeys =0A=0A=09> vertical (engine=
 side down). =0A=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> 2) The valve cover tee is 5/8" diame=
ter, the engine side of the PCV=0A=0A=0A=09> valve is 1/2". Anyone know=
 of a short hose with different diameters=0A=0A=0A=09> on each end? =0A=
=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> Thanks. =0A=0A=09>  =0A=0A=09> Cheers, =0A=0A=09> Bo=
b Haskell =0A=0A=09> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar =0A=0A=09 ____=
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<html><body>This all sounds good, but I'm concerned about sludge build u=
p...I remember my '55 Ford with added rubber plug to the vent &amp; adap=
ted PCV and takeoff on air cleaner. Under the rockers was a gooey mess a=
fter some miles. I kinda like my Type 3 system as original on my BJ Heal=
ey and the rocker shaft and rockers are clean not a sticky mess. Sure it=
 drips some oil from the bell, but don't all us oldies drip something? H=
ank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signature"></div><p>-----------------=
------------------------</p>From: "Roger Grace via Healeys" <healeys@aut=
ox.team.net><br>To: "Harold Manifold"<br>Cc: "Healey List"<br>Sent: Tues=
day April 27 2021 4:34:02PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] PCV valve installa=
tion<br><br>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A<div>I am with Harold on this one. In=
 theory, with substantial=0Avacuum holding in the CC you would not move=
 any of the accumulated=0Agasses and moisture from the CC. Would be inte=
rested to hear if=0Aanyone has actually measured the CC vacuum after the=
 plugging and=0Asoldering of all the orifices ? Particularly at idle whe=
n the=0Avacuum is high - what does the PCV valve regulate it to ? My car=
 is=0Aabout 17/18 ins Hg at idle. Would also be interesting to look for=
=0Aoil at the system vacuum inlet pipe after a few miles.<br></div>=0A<d=
iv>Just wondering...</div>=0A<div>rg</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div><br>=
</div>=0A</div>=0A<div><br><table style=3D"border-top:1px solid #d3d4de;=
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table><a href=3D"#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"></a></div>=0A<br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 8:42 AM=0AHarold Manifold via Healeys &lt;<a>heale=
ys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex;">=0A<div lang=3D"en-us">=0A<div class=3D"gmai=
l-m_5684642937480256509WordSection1">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The V in=
 PCV is for ventilation. There should=0Abe a way for fresh air to get in=
to the engine. In addition to=0Acreating a slight vacuum inside the engi=
ne ideally the blow by=0Agases that accumulate in the bottom of the bloc=
k and contaminate=0Athe engine oil should be replaced with clear air.</p=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><img styl=
e=3D"width:5.2083in;height:2.9479in;" src=3D"/index.php/inbox/attachment=
/filenameOriginal/2324622E2F644F44A27CE63311F4D16B.jpg/filenamefs/INBOX4=
698843c3d3bff949b5be528d87e101625a0b" alt=3D"Foxbody PCV Valve Replaceme=
nt =E2=80=93 Fox Body Project" width=3D"500" height=3D"283"></p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Harold</p>=0A<p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,22=
5);border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3=
pt 0in 0in;">=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:medium none;paddi=
ng:0in;">=0A<b>From:</b> <a>Bob Begani via Healeys</a><br><b>Sent:</b> T=
uesday, April 27, 2021 6:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a>Bob Haskell</a>; <a>Heal=
ey List</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] PCV valve installation</p>=
=0A</div>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">B=
ob:</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let=
 me know how your installation works with=0Athe hole in the oil fill cap=
 soldered.&nbsp; No doubt, the rest of=0Athe engine is has no breather i=
nlets such as the valve cover?&nbsp;=0AThe reason I ask is I did not sol=
der or seal the oil fill cap and=0Amy aluminum valve cover has&nbsp; a v=
ent on the side into which I=0Astuffed a piece of oiled 3m sanding pad.&=
nbsp; The reason was that=0Ain the early days of PCV valves on engines t=
he car makers were=0Acreating a breather so fresh air could circulate in=
 the engine and=0Asome articles indicated it was desirable to keep air f=
lowing to the=0Acrankcase.&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Maybe some of the other listeners who have=0Ab=
een using a PVC system sealed could comment on the=0Aoperation.&nbsp; Cu=
rrently on regular 25-mile drives at no more=0Athan 60 mph the drips und=
er the bell housing weep hole after the=0Aride are limited to a spot the=
 size of a quarter in the can=0Aunderneath.&nbsp; Next time travel on I-=
75 for 50 miles at higher=0Aspeeds I will see if the amount of oil incre=
ases.&nbsp; If it does=0AI may seal vent to see what happens.</p>=0A<p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob Begani</p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-----Original=
 Message-----</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: Bob Haskell &lt;<a>rcha=
skell@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent: Monday, A=
pril 26, 2021 8:23 PM</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To: <a>rfbegani@gmail=
.com</a>; 'Healey List' &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</p>=0A<p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [Healeys] PCV valve=0Ainstallation</p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob,</p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for=
 the info.&nbsp; I've got mine=0Ainstalled, but haven't driven the car y=
et - rebuilding a LCS pump=0Afor it.&nbsp; I machined a 5/8"-20 - 3/8"</=
p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">barb fitting to screw into the front manifol=
d.=0AAdded six flats for a wrench - Whitworth so I can be annoyed with=
=0Amyself at some future date.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To go from t=
he 5/8" diameter on the valve=0Acover tee to the 1/2" diameter inlet on=
 the PCV valve, I shaved the=0AID of a 5/8" hose and the OD of a 1/2" ho=
se on the lathe and glued=0Athem together with rubber cement.&nbsp; 3/8"=
</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">hose connects the PVC valve to the manifol=
d=0Afitting.&nbsp; Added hose clamps at each connection and soldered=0At=
he hole in the oil fill cap.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bob Haskell</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Austin H=
ealey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 4/26/21 6:00 PM, <a>rfbegani@gmail.com</a>=0Awr=
ote:</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">&gt; Bob:</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">&gt; I have completed the PCV valve=0Ainstallation by using a 3=
 inch piece of</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; the 5/8=E2=80=9D hose o=
n the manifold side and=0Ainserting a 5/16 =E2=80=9C heater hose</p>=0A<=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; into it with a hose=0Aclamp.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Then the 5/16=E2=80=9D hose attaches a 1/8=E2=80=9D x=0A=C2=BC=E2=80=
=9D</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; brass fitting with a hose clamp fr=
om the=0Aparts store I installed into</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;=
 the small opening on the intake manifold=0Ato the right of the large</p=
>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; opening for the brake booster.&nbsp; No=
=0Aleakage and strong negative</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; pressur=
e have reduced my oil leaks into=0Athe bell housing and the</p>=0A<p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; clutch dramatically.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Bob Begani</p>=0A<p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; *From:* Heal=
eys &lt;<a>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; *On Behalf Of=0A*Bob</=
p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Haskell</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&g=
t; *Sent:* Friday, April 9, 2021 3:10 PM</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&g=
t; *To:* Healey List &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</p>=0A<p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; *Subject:* [Healeys] PCV valve=0Ainstallation</p>=
=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; L=
isters,</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">&gt; Attempting to install a PCV valve on our=0Atri-carb engine per=
 Norm</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Nock's Tech Tip (page 98).&nbsp;=
 Made an=0Aadapter (5/8"-18 to 3/8" barb)</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&=
gt; that replaces the plug in the front inlet=0Amanifold.&nbsp; 3/8" hos=
e to the</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; PCV valve.&nbsp; Two question=
s:</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
&gt; 1) Does the PCV valve need to be=0Aorientated in a particular way?<=
/p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Norm's diagram shows it horizontal and=
 I=0Ahave seen them on non-Healeys</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; ver=
tical (engine side down).</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; 2) The valve cover tee is 5/8" diameter,=0At=
he engine side of the PCV</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; valve is 1/2=
".&nbsp; Anyone know of a=0Ashort hose with different diameters</p>=0A<p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; on each end?</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt;=
&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Thanks.</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">&gt;&nbsp;</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Cheers,</p>=0A<p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Bob Haskell</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&gt; Austi=
n Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar</p>=0A<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>=
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