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Subject: Re: [Healeys] another pertronix question
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:55:07 -0700
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Side note:

It's interesting--to a wonk like me, at least--that the Pertronix 
Ignitor I for 4-cyl Healeys doesn't need/use the magnet 'collar' that 
the 6-cyl cars' unit does. Apparently, the Hall Effect sensor in the 
Ignitor is sensitive enough to detect the lobes of the distributor cam 
by shape. When I opened the box for my BN2 I thought "Damn, they forgot 
to pack the magnet collar;" but it wasn't mentioned in the instructions 
so I installed it. It's worked flawlessly (but I only have a few hundred 
miles on it).

I once owned/drove an old Subaru. It had a 'standard' distributor/coil 
setup, but used an electronic points module that looked exactly like an 
Ignitor I (AFAIK Pertronix didn't supply OEM manufacturers). That car 
was driven hard by myself and a couple of my nephews, and had about 175K 
miles on it when it finally met the scrapper.

bs

On 4/21/2021 6:39 AM, i erbs via Healeys wrote:
>
> Thanks folks.
> I had bad experiences with carbon wires and the bumblebees look really 
> cool.
> Cheers
> Ira Erbs
> 1959 AH 100-6
> 1967 MGB
> Milwaukie, OR
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 2:52 AM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net 
>
>     Ira,
>
>     I believe that the only cap available for the DM6A distributor is the
>     side entry with screws.  The vertical, plug in, cap was fitted to the
>     later 25D6 distributor.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Bob Haskell
>     Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
>     On 4/21/21 4:28 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:
>     >
>     > I ran mine with side cap and bumblebees. No suppressors. No
>     problems.
>     >
>     > Iâ??m pretty sure that â??they sayâ?? that graphite core wires donâ??t
>     do well
>     > in the old Lucases. The screws dig into the graphite and
>     > time/vibration abrades the graphite and thus the contact. Anyhow, I
>     > stuck with bumblebees on that advice.
>     >
>     > Simon
>     >
>     > *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>     > B LAWRENCE via Healeys
>     > *Sent:* 21 April 2021 02:28
>     > *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] another pertronix question
>     >
>     > Ira, the pertronix unit fits on the stock base plate in the
>     > distributor. You can use the same cap. They recommend graphite core
>     > wires, although I ran solid core wires with mine for several
>     years and
>     > never had a problem.
>     >
>     > Bill Lawrence
>     >
>     > BN1 #554
>     >
>     >
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     > *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>     > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2021 6:57 PM
>     > *To:* Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net
>     > *Subject:* [Healeys] another pertronix question
>     >
>     > If I get the adaptor kit will I need to change the cap and wires?
>     >
>     > I am using the side style cap and bumble bee wires. Will I need
>     to use
>     > suppressor carbon wires?
>     >
>     > Thanks all.
>     >
>     >  Hope to meet many of you at Conclave.
>     >
>     > Ira Erbs
>     >
>     > Milwaukie,OR
>     >
>     >       _______          _______
>     >      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
>     > (_________________________)
>     >
>     >       BT7 engine and disk brakes
>     >
>     > 1967 MGB MG
>     >
>     > A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario
>     Andretti
>     >
>     > Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>


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    Side note: <br>
    <br>
    It's interesting--to a wonk like me, at least--that the Pertronix
    Ignitor I for 4-cyl Healeys doesn't need/use the magnet 'collar'
    that the 6-cyl cars' unit does. Apparently, the Hall Effect sensor
    in the Ignitor is sensitive enough to detect the lobes of the
    distributor cam by shape. When I opened the box for my BN2 I thought
    "Damn, they forgot to pack the magnet collar;" but it wasn't
    mentioned in the instructions so I installed it. It's worked
    flawlessly (but I only have a few hundred miles on it).<br>
    <br>
    I once owned/drove an old Subaru. It had a 'standard'
    distributor/coil setup, but used an electronic points module that
    looked exactly like an Ignitor I (AFAIK Pertronix didn't supply OEM
    manufacturers). That car was driven hard by myself and a couple of
    my nephews, and had about 175K miles on it when it finally met the
    scrapper.<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/21/2021 6:39 AM, i erbs via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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        Thanks folks.
        <div dir="auto">I had bad experiences with carbon wires and the
          bumblebees look really cool.</div>
        <div dir="auto">Cheers<br>
          <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Ira Erbs<br>
            1959 AH 100-6<br>
            1967 MGB<br>
            Milwaukie, OR</div>
        </div>
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      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 2:52 AM
          Bob Haskell &lt;<a href="mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net";
            moz-do-not-send="true">rchaskell@earthlink.net</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ira,<br>
          <br>
          I believe that the only cap available for the DM6A distributor
          is the <br>
          side entry with screws.  The vertical, plug in, cap was fitted
          to the <br>
          later 25D6 distributor.<br>
          <br>
          Cheers,<br>
          <br>
          Bob Haskell<br>
          Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
          <br>
          On 4/21/21 4:28 AM, Simon Lachlan via Healeys wrote:<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; I ran mine with side cap and bumblebees. No suppressors.
          No problems.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Iâ??m pretty sure that â??they sayâ?? that graphite core wires
          donâ??t do well <br>
          &gt; in the old Lucases. The screws dig into the graphite and
          <br>
          &gt; time/vibration abrades the graphite and thus the contact.
          Anyhow, I <br>
          &gt; stuck with bumblebees on that advice.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Simon<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; *From:*Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
            rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
          *On Behalf Of *WILLIAM <br>
          &gt; B LAWRENCE via Healeys<br>
          &gt; *Sent:* 21 April 2021 02:28<br>
          &gt; *To:* i erbs &lt;<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
          Ahealey help &lt;<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
          &gt; *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] another pertronix question<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Ira, the pertronix unit fits on the stock base plate in
          the <br>
          &gt; distributor. You can use the same cap. They recommend
          graphite core <br>
          &gt; wires, although I ran solid core wires with mine for
          several years and <br>
          &gt; never had a problem.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Bill Lawrence<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; BN1 #554<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt;
          
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          &gt;<br>
          &gt; *From:*Healeys &lt;<a
            href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
            rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>
          <br>
          &gt; &lt;mailto:<a
            href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
            rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;&gt;
          on behalf of i erbs <br>
          &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
            rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>
          &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com";
            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
          &gt; *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2021 6:57 PM<br>
          &gt; *To:* Ahealey help &lt;<a
            href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
            rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>
          <br>
          &gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
            target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
          &gt; *Subject:* [Healeys] another pertronix question<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; If I get the adaptor kit will I need to change the cap
          and wires?<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; I am using the side style cap and bumble bee wires. Will
          I need to use <br>
          &gt; suppressor carbon wires?<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Thanks all.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt;  Hope to meet many of you at Conclave.<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Ira Erbs<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Milwaukie,OR<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt;       _______          _______<br>
          &gt;      (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>
          &gt; (_________________________)<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt;       BT7 engine and disk brakes<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; 1967 MGB MG<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments.
          Mario Andretti<br>
          &gt;<br>
          &gt; Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words<br>
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